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    Anyone who peddles this crap deserves to be hung...

    Check it out - http://www.canadiantire.ca/AST/brows....jsp?locale=en


    No vacuum pump, recovery machine, or set of gauges required - just gas it up with propane.

    (the same manufacturer also sells leak stop)
    General public's attitude towards our energy predicament: "I reject the reality of finite resource depletion and substitute it with my own; energy is infinite, we just need an alternative storage medium to run the cars on. The economy can grow indefinitely - we just need to "green" everything! Technology is energy! Peak what?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by amd View Post

    (the same manufacturer also sells leak stop)
    Lets see, Canandian, is it ClipLite, or CrapLite?

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    "Lets see, Canandian, is it ClipLite, or CrapLite?"

    Funny how the same TYPE of CRAP was / is available at WALMART , PEP BOYS , WESTERN AUTO , every TRUCKSTOP in the USA for years until the FREON ban / laws changed died off for a bit now back on the shelf.

    And its made in USA.

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    amd;
    You Missed the ones that are for the homeowner who's just a LITTLE low on refrigerant. IT replaces R22.
    I checked into this when I first became aware of it. It is legal to sell, you do not need a ODP to buy it because it is propane, with an evergreen odor.
    I was pissed, the more I thought of it the more I thought " more work for me when the people that use this stuff mess up their systems"

    it is was it is......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Control Man View Post
    "Lets see, Canandian, is it ClipLite, or CrapLite?"

    Funny how the same TYPE of CRAP was / is available at WALMART , PEP BOYS , WESTERN AUTO , every TRUCKSTOP in the USA for years until the FREON ban / laws changed died off for a bit now back on the shelf.

    And its made in USA.
    I did not intend to be Anti Canadian, just that is where Cliplight is. I have visited Canada a few times myself.

    http://cliplight.com/contact.php?pageID=Contact_Us

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    Trouble Time

    They promote the R22 replacement for Residential , Commercial A/C use , also a full line of Refrigeration oil , leak detection , leak seal , was at PRINCESS AUTO this morning big rack of it and the gauge / hose kits..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Control Man View Post
    Trouble Time

    They promote the R22 replacement for Residential , Commercial A/C use , also a full line of Refrigeration oil , leak detection , leak seal , was at PRINCESS AUTO this morning big rack of it and the gauge / hose kits..
    Know all about it; (love going to Toy's R us for men (Princess Auto))
    I actually used the stuff in my wife's car when the condenser when, Had a leak you could hear. I put the stuff with the leak seal in it, and waited, next day I charged with the can of R12a works great, A little too cold for my liking, but it worked. That was three years ago and it is still working.
    I do not like that the general unskilled public can buy it, but it works... Try it in an old car, it may surprise you.

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    Its a free country and as americans we should be able to buy these products if available.

    If it is available for sale in the USA then someone has deemed it safe enough for even the most inexperienced klutz to use.

    Like others have said before, It doesnt really cut into your hvac business... the folks using this will eventually be forced to call an ac company......

    One thing they should do though is make a fitting that must be attached to the schrader permanently...something you must add to the existing equipment before attaching the r22a can.....something that cant be broken off without harming the schrader connection.

    This would save a lot of hassles when an hvac guy comes out and must recover that mess from the system....

    Being a true american and patriot.....Im not against homeowners being given access to all our tools and materials and also them being given the freedom to do anything they want to their hvac equipment.

    Please dont bring up the argument of them getting themself killed working on their own stuff...or of harming others.....or of releasing refrigerant......

    We dont like homeowners getting access to this stuff for only one reason....it cuts into our business......but what we fail to realize is that it doesnt cut into our business at all......its only a little hiccup in the system...... they are eventually going to be forced to call someone...and will probably be better prepared to pay the price after their folly.

    Ive always wanted to try propane in an hvac system myself. Wouldnt mind finding an old window shaker somewhere that I could charge with propane...... Just to see how it does.

    I think the pt relationship is very similar to r-22
    YOU SHALL REAP WHAT YOU HAVE _______ SOWN

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    The problem is that this stuff is flammable and the kit doesn't include a recovery machine or vacuum pump.

    Most people who purchase this stuff probably vent the old refrigerant. (or worse yet, add it to a system which isn't low on refrigerant to begin with)

    How do you charge a system properly without pulling a vacuum? Imagine what the leakstop would do to a system full of moisture.
    General public's attitude towards our energy predicament: "I reject the reality of finite resource depletion and substitute it with my own; energy is infinite, we just need an alternative storage medium to run the cars on. The economy can grow indefinitely - we just need to "green" everything! Technology is energy! Peak what?"

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    FYI
    The instructions on the can say's the old refrigerant in the system should be recovered and the system evacuated before using the R12a.

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    Where did someone come up with the idea its SCENTED propane ?http://www.redtek.com/techinfo_refprop.html

    I have used it ( properly in 1 of the kids old cars , been 3 summers A/C still nice and cold ) saving my 50LB R-12 for my older collector cars.

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    Funny thing that propane is heavier then air. I'm liking the thought of people's leaky vehicle A/Cs pooling propane under there cars. Great idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corny View Post
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    Please dont bring up the argument of them getting themself killed working on their own stuff...or of harming others.....or of releasing refrigerant......

    We dont like homeowners getting access to this stuff for only one reason....it cuts into our business......but what we fail to realize is that it doesnt cut into our business at all......its only a little hiccup in the system...... they are eventually going to be forced to call someone...and will probably be better prepared to pay the price after their folly.
    Yes, but not entirely true. I also dont like homeowners getting ahold of this kind of stuff becaues it is a bit of a slap in the face... Its like decades of experience, proper tools, training, licensing, ect is unnessicary for HIM (this friggin yokel here) who will just pick up a can of "frosty fog" and dump it in and all will be well... I dont think I can perform surgery just because I can buy a scalpel and a bit of reciprocity from "Mr. fix it" would be appreciated. These people really think that what holds them back from being able to fix their own systems is access to refrigerant or tools or something, not their TOTAL lack of experience.

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