Deem Mechanical

[John Markl]

Personally, I think if a person is truly a man, he acts like a man and does what needs to be done to look out for himself and his family. If this means having a heart to heart with the boss over pay and benefits, or it means he find another contractor willing to satisfy his pay/benefit requirement, so be it.

IMHO only a person with a childlike mentality needs others to fight his battles with/for him.

.....but that's just my 2 cents.

Amen, Brother !!

[valdelocc]

Personally, I think if a person is truly a man, he acts like a man and does what needs to be done to look out for himself and his family. If this means having a heart to heart with the boss over pay and benefits, or it means he find another contractor willing to satisfy his pay/benefit requirement, so be it.

IMHO only a person with a childlike mentality needs others to fight his battles with/for him.

.....but that's just my 2 cents.

in my tenure I've met a tough guy or two, they ended at the unemployment line. you were fired from a job or two and your business failed miserably so your anti-union motto didn't work good for you either.
anyone can pile up a few words and make a smart sounding phrase but in real life money talks a BS walks and union techs make double or more $$$ compared to non-union, there is nothing wrong with we the workers standing together and negotiating better pay and benefits.

[John Markl]

union techs make double or more $$$ compared to non-union.

Good thing I'm wearing boots tonight....shi+s gettin' deep....

[jpsmith1cm]

Guys,

The jobs forum isn't a place for union/non-union arguments.

[markettech]

in my tenure I've met a tough guy or two, they ended at the unemployment line. you were fired from a job or two and your business failed miserably so your anti-union motto didn't work good for you either.
anyone can pile up a few words and make a smart sounding phrase but in real life money talks a BS walks and union techs make double or more $$$ compared to non-union, there is nothing wrong with we the workers standing together and negotiating better pay and benefits.

You're absolutely right. I lost my business due to my inability to be an effective leader.....but really, is there any other way for a business to fail but miserably? Can't say I've ever heard of a business failing pleasantly.

I was also fired.....so, you're right again.

I'm having a hard time seeing how the union, or lack thereof, would have changed anything relating to my business failure and my terminations.

Regarding your money talking and BS walking - please prove to me that every non union service technician makes at least 1/2 that of a union service technician. I'm certain you'll have no problem with this as you appear to be a man that researches things in great depth before speaking about them.

[markettech]

Jeremy - I just now saw your post.

My apologies........I'll refrain from further comment.

[valdelocc]

Good thing I'm wearing boots tonight....shi+s gettin' deep....

John

I understand why a business owner/slave driver like you oppose the union but I dont get it when a fellow hvac tech bashes organized labor for the sake of it, there is no better place for a worker than the union, having a legal binding contract between employer and employees spelling out our pay and benefits is priceless, working union there is no " cant give you a raise cause my wife got her boobs done".

[valdelocc]

Jeremy - I just now saw your post.

My apologies........I'll refrain from further comment.

X2

[John Markl]

there is no better place for a worker than the union, having a legal binding contract between employer and employees spelling out our pay and benefits is priceless,

Unfortunately, we don't have a "yawn" smilie....

[John Markl]

Guys,

The jobs forum isn't a place for union/non-union arguments.

gotcha

[wisconsinapp]

I live in Illinois my first day with Deem is Monday.

Thank god!!!!! Now maybe I will get to spend a LITTLE more time in Wisco. It's a good company, its got its pros and cons just like every job, but the pros far outweigh the cons. A lot of freedom and a lot of work (especially down in Illinois) so really not alot to complain about. Welcome aboard.

[jrmech]

hahahahahha $15 truck charge?

taking the truck home is INCOME? what kind of backwards twisted tax laws you guys gots goin on down there. It sounds like the IRS is scrapping the bottom of the barrel for cash.

[John Markl]

hahahahahha $15 truck charge?

taking the truck home is INCOME? what kind of backwards twisted tax laws you guys gots goin on down there. It sounds like the IRS is scrapping the bottom of the barrel for cash.

The reality is, that your work vehicle represents free transportation to and from work....something that most American workers do not enjoy.

So, yes, it IS a form of income. Unless, as some stated, your work day starts when you leave your house and ends when you arrive at it.

[wisconsinapp]

The reality is, that your work vehicle represents free transportation to and from work....something that most American workers do not enjoy.

So, yes, it IS a form of income. Unless, as some stated, your work day starts when you leave your house and ends when you arrive at it.

Agreed, although it seemed really backwards and screwed up at first, when you actually sit down and think about it, 15 dollars really isn't anything. If you were to drive 20 miles to work each day with your personal vehicle, you would spend more than that in gas, plus wear and tear on your personal vehicle. At the end of the day its less than an hours worth of labor so if it bothered me that much I would just work an extra half hour each week and call it good. Laws are laws and I can't blame a company for following them, especially if there is potential for the IRS to come at me years down the road and charge me a lump sum for all the weeks I didn't pay it in the past.

[jrmech]

Trucks are part of the business and there is no business without them, if it was a luxury vehicle then I can understand and justify a charge.

is the IRS going to ask employees to pay the lease on the building the company occupies?

[wisconsinapp]

No, I won't accept anything, but the fact is there are some things you just don't have a choice with and unfortunately when it comes to the IRS there is really no negotiating... It just is what it is, and there is no point in getting bitter about it, just accept it and take it for what it is because at the end of the day 15 bucks a week really is nothing for me to gripe about, if I don't like it then I guess I will find a job where they don't offer me a company vehicle. Not to mention I knew about the 15 dollars before I started so I figured it in when I told them what I needed to make with no issues.

[John Markl]

Agreed, although it seemed really backwards and screwed up at first, when you actually sit down and think about it, 15 dollars really isn't anything. If you were to drive 20 miles to work each day with your personal vehicle, you would spend more than that in gas, plus wear and tear on your personal vehicle. At the end of the day its less than an hours worth of labor so if it bothered me that much I would just work an extra half hour each week and call it good. Laws are laws and I can't blame a company for following them, especially if there is potential for the IRS to come at me years down the road and charge me a lump sum for all the weeks I didn't pay it in the past.

Exactly. It's all in your point of view. A healthy viewpoint makes for a much less stressful life. It's $15. a week for a ride to and from work. Depending on your family/lifestyle, it might even allow you to have one less personally owned vehicle in the driveway.

[rtu]

I live in Illinois my first day with Deem is Monday.

Welcome aboard! Hope you like OT Handful of us had 90 to 100 hours last week No worries of not getting 40 here.
What part of the state are you at?

[cold in alberta]

hahahahahha $15 truck charge?

taking the truck home is INCOME? what kind of backwards twisted tax laws you guys gots goin on down there. It sounds like the IRS is scrapping the bottom of the barrel for cash.

we have it here too-it can be considered a taxable benefit,by getting the 15 bucks a month it eliminates it in the eyes of the IRS or CRA

http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/E/pub/tg/t4130/t4130-11e.pdf

[jrmech]

Exactly. It's all in your point of view. A healthy viewpoint makes for a much less stressful life. It's $15. a week for a ride to and from work. Depending on your family/lifestyle, it might even allow you to have one less personally owned vehicle in the driveway.

yes, we can convince ourselves to accept anything and everything, Goebbels did wonders for the Nazi's..it didn't make it right though.