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  1. #1
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    But they have to have a license to live there, right?

    And, with all the money flowing in for aid, can't they make some shelter for people unwilling to sacrifice their pets to Katrina's wake?

    What are they gonna do? Require the last 10,000 people in the city to slaughter their pets before they are forced out? Will the national guard start shooting loose pets as well as looters?

    "Milo and Otis made it out of the house before the waters rose and trapped them; they clung to the debris near their flooded home, wet and alone, searching in vain for their owners. Days passed, then finally in the distance, someone approached, there was a flash, then a sound, just before the bullet hit. Milo turned and watched his life long companion slip into the polluted waters. Then turned back to the rescuers......"

    Anyone know someone at the ASPCA? I got pets, have had them and always will have them. I would not evacuate without them.

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    Some members of our local humane society (IL) and the dog club are on the way down there to pick up a bunch of unclaimed strays and try to place them locally.

    If anybody needs a dog, let me know.
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    Are you making up the incident description to illustrate your point, or is that reported somewhere?

    They won't kill the dogs, but they won't let a dog take a place on the bus/helicopter etc that otherwise would go to a human. They're already saying they don't have the resources to save all the humans there, never mind dogs.

    Heck, when you're in the middle of the astrodome are you just gonna let your dog cr@p at the side of your bed?


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    I'm asking if maybe we as a society should consider the plight of all people who are caught up in a disaster of the proportions such as Katrina.

    Who said resources are not available to take care of all the people? Maybe the Red Cross can release some of their funds for animal shelters. Wouldn't be that much of a strain on the billions they are about to receive. This would be short term care, not the long term care most of the displaced humans will need. Many former pets will have to be put down for a variety of reasons, and this should come out of relief funds, not private entities like humane societies.

    I'm not advocating anyone giving up their place for someones pet.

    I am questioning relief efforts that do not consider pets.
    A forced evacuation with guns drawn is about to begin and many of those still there are there because of loyalty to pets. So far as I can tell, officials are saying leave your pets behind to starve to death.

    Pets on the loose (which they will be once waters are pumped out) will band together in packs if not controlled.
    With smaller scale disasters, pets can be for the most part kept by relatives and friends while lives and homes are rebuilt. The scale of this disaster prevents this.

    The wealthy who evacuated probably took their pets with them, the less able to evacuate rode it out and survived, needing aid in many cases.

    Many people have animals as companions. Floods separate families as well as pets and livestock. Animals without their owners around can be dangerous. We in this trade know this.

    Milo and Otis was a movie. Check it out at Blockbuster. I used them as an example of what I believe will eventually happen unless something is done.

    "Heck, when you're in the middle of the astrodome are you just gonna let your dog cr@p at the side of your bed?"

    Like the humans did?


    This is not the last disaster America will endure. Maybe it is time we started learning from past mistakes. Maybe we ought to consider a lot of factors in planning for disasters. Maybe some houses/areas should not be rebuilt. FEMA needs to be torn up and rebuilt.

    [Edited by MikeJ on 09-07-2005 at 01:30 PM]

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    Originally posted by scruit
    Are you making up the incident description to illustrate your point, or is that reported somewhere?

    They won't kill the dogs, but they won't let a dog take a place on the bus/helicopter etc that otherwise would go to a human. They're already saying they don't have the resources to save all the humans there, never mind dogs.

    Heck, when you're in the middle of the astrodome are you just gonna let your dog cr@p at the side of your bed?

    From what I have seen of the Super Dome, my dogs are a hell of a lot cleaner. I would simply not go with out my dogs, but then I can survive with out the government.

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    I love my dog with all my heart.

    That said....... Those pets will be missed, but they are disposable and replaceable. There is a much bigger picture here to consider. Man, if my family was ther hurting, starving, etc and I saw some boat saving DOGS....... Then I might get out my 9.
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    I would feel just the opposite if they left them behind. The people were told to leave. The pets knew no better.

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    But both can be saved with some preparedness. Things can be done in the future to prepare for this.

    OK, let's form a white cross organization.


    From this thread: The New Orleans detailed evac plan

    FOUR(4) STEPS TO SAFETY
    1. Find Out What Could Happen to You: .........

    b. Ask about animal care after disaster. Animals may not be allowed inside emergency shelters due to health regulations.


    c. Find out how to help elderly or disabled persons, if needed.

    That's about all that was said about pets and pet owners.
    I have worked with humane societies and pet havens. They are for the most part not on the government dole. They exist from private funding only for the most part. As one manager once told me, sadly, "if we had government funding, then they would want to control us and how and what we do." Aid comes with a price tag when dealing with the government.

    Sorry Spotts, if I was in that ark and you took out your 9 because I decided to donate my time and money to rescuing animals, we would have words. Then return fire. 10,000 troops and aid workers are doing their thing. Fine.

    [Edited by MikeJ on 09-07-2005 at 01:50 PM]

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    One reporter was saying there was a dog swimming behind them, trying to keep up with them, while they were searching on a boat, Bastards would'nt stop to let the poor guy on, I woulda just said he/she was part of the rescue team if questioned.

    It is pretty sad to see all those dogs stranded like that.

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    Just typed in Katrina and Pets in a search engine and found this:

    https://secure.hsus.org/01/disaster_relief_fund_2005?

    Worth reading. Looks like it is under the Humane society of the United States.

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    Well, made my pledge of 50 bucks... hope it helps.

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    Good idea Mike. Just sent them a donation on my credit card. We were talking about the plight of the pets just this morning.

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    Thanks Mike for finding that. I am going to make a donation. As I said, human life is important but when it is all said and done the humans were told to get out. The pets are the innocent victims.

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