rayr - Thats why I said start at the bottom as an installers helper... They are not gonna put a meter or a set of gauges in the hands of a beginner... Thats how I came up... Fact of the matter is that you can't beat real world experence .... and in a since you are in school as you lean you progress and move up in the trade and you are only limited by what you are willing to learn... Any I fully agree with your signature, It depends on how hungry they are to learn... Class is not the end all be all it just shows you how to locate the answers, and if you fall in with a good company and you have a good head on your shoulders you will do fine, I stand you can't beat real world experence and I will agree to disagree with a lot of folks on that matter...
Isn't sanity just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean, all you get is that one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, well, the sky's the limit!
Are you in NoCal or SoCal?..I wont talk to northerners
Originally Posted by Iceneck
I'm just curious..I'm in the union but started as nonunion. "hands on" is the best way AFTER basic knowledge is mastered or at least understood very well.
Go Giants. That should be nuff'. ; )
Originally Posted by NedFlanders
If I go the Union route through the apprenticeship program I'll get both though, right? At the same time...
Depends on the company you work for.....Some companies won't let tradesmen/apprentices do anything technical. The union rules kinda frown on certain things, I like to show everyone everything because I can watch and not work and I'm a really good guy on top of that.
If you do markets , I wouldn't worry about lack of hands on, The AC side seems to have a different way of doing things. They take the union thing a little too serious ( in my opinion) and sometimes will only let you do certain things.
I still take training courses through the union and I hear all kinds of stuff they do .
Also it seems at least where I'm at , the HVAC side out numbers the refer side 3-4:1. Market guys (in the union) seems to be slowly dieing off. The NONunion companies are and have been low balling the trade to the point where it's hard for a union contractor to compete.
go to school first thing -
Whether is union / apprentice or full time trade school.
Pay Real attention and take notes and demand that the instructor review if you are even Slightly confused. They work for you - never forget that. You are their boss - not the other way around.
"hands on" don't mean dog poop if you don't know, and I mean KNOW! what is really happening inside the system. Know what is happening like it's a 3-D video running in your head.
What no one will ever teach you hands-on is the nuts & bolts of basic refrigeration theory. I mean so that it soaks into your bones. So that you know it better than you know any other thing on this planet. So that you can always revert to it.
Just like you can always say: A-B-C-D-E-F-G . . . .
Originally Posted by Iceneck
The conventional view serves to protect us from the painful job of thinking.