rayr - Thats why I said start at the bottom as an installers helper... They are not gonna put a meter or a set of gauges in the hands of a beginner... Thats how I came up... Fact of the matter is that you can't beat real world experence .... and in a since you are in school as you lean you progress and move up in the trade and you are only limited by what you are willing to learn... Any I fully agree with your signature, It depends on how hungry they are to learn... Class is not the end all be all it just shows you how to locate the answers, and if you fall in with a good company and you have a good head on your shoulders you will do fine, I stand you can't beat real world experence and I will agree to disagree with a lot of folks on that matter...