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Thread: Freezing the Lake where the Levee collapsed ?? Possible ?

  1. 08-31-2005, 11:43 AM #1
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    Sandbags didnt help at all. I wonder if the Lake could be frozen solid in the area of the collapsed Levees so they can make repairs ?? In Russia some time back, they completely froze a river to make repairs.
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    How many BTUs would you need? Someone do a Manual-J...
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    Originally posted by scruit
    How many BTUs would you need? Someone do a Manual-J...
    Reply: Standard rule of thumb for this mishap would indicate that Qty. 23: 200 ton Ice Skating Rink Brine Chillers at -20 f. would be required. (ill do my load calculation using Liquid Nitrogen discharged from bulk containers and get back to you later on).
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    Ahh, there ain't no power down there dude.
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    The icy stare I got from my wife when I bought my motorbike would have frozen that lake over in a second...
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    Originally posted by hvacfella
    Originally posted by scruit
    How many BTUs would you need? Someone do a Manual-J...
    Reply: Standard rule of thumb for this mishap would indicate that Qty. 23: 200 ton Ice Skating Rink Brine Chillers at -20 f. would be required. (ill do my load calculation using Liquid Nitrogen discharged from bulk containers and get back to you later on).
    Maybe adjust you calclations to factor in sea water and to compensate for no insulation and being in direct contact with an 80F fluid.
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  8. 08-31-2005, 02:59 PM #7
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    Originally posted by md master
    Ahh, there ain't no power down there dude.
    Reply: Ok...then scratch the Brine Chillers ; How can we apply Liquid Nitrogen to freeze the area by the Levee ??? Thats the 2 dollar question.
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    This was done during construction of the Hoover dam. Large rods were driveninto the ground 20 degree brine. Liquid nitro would work. BTW an engineering squadron could get power and chillers airlifted.
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    If they dropped boulders instead of sand the leak may be smaller already


    float a ship in front of the hole---like an oil barge
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    The best way to make a dam is logs, and could be air lifted.Temperary fix but, it would work. They are just thinking in the long term.
    Everybody knows that the strongest dams are built by beavers(0) (0).Get a couple of hooters girls and hundred or so soldiers and the water would be stopped if the right incentive was offered..LOL

    Float a bunch of logs against the spillway and it would slow it down enough to drop in big sand bags.
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    They have barges full of trash cruising around NY and NJ with nowhere to go.. Wedge a few of those in the hole..
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    Freezing the water, hooter girls, beavers, garbage.......hmmmmmm you guys start happy hour early huh?
    I thought Muskie was the only one here that did that.
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    Originally posted by hvacbear
    This was done during construction of the Hoover dam. Large rods were driveninto the ground 20 degree brine. Liquid nitro would work. BTW an engineering squadron could get power and chillers airlifted.
    Reply: Good, then its settled...we're going with Liquid Nitrogen. Could i ask you to be the Installation Foreman on the job and ill be the guy who makes sandwiches and coffee for the team .
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    I figure...........

    About 200,000 boxes of Jello oughta' do it.

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    Beavers.....
    I came into this world with nothing, I still have most of it left....
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    stack Politicians and lawyers to make fill the holes in the levies...even if we have to use every politician in the world to stop the water.

    Even if it don't work...at least we would get rid of the politicians and lawyers


    I think the hooters girls will float...but I'll swing by hooters tonight to do some research
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    Pretty funny, pooch mouth.........
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    definetly enough lawyers up there to plug the levee
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    Originally posted by Diceman
    Freezing the water, hooter girls, beavers, garbage.......hmmmmmm you guys start happy hour early huh?
    I thought Muskie was the only one here that did that.
    We can throw outside rep in as a start.
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    Sounds like a plan.
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