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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    http://ca.news.yahoo.com/aussie-stud...080102518.html

    Amazing she did it while attending a publicly funded school.
    Funny printer. I was really referring to government secondary schools not colleges and universities. Even though there are lots of curriculums that should never be in any public funded college along with "students" who should never have been admitted.

    For the record there are good teachers but they get no better treatment than the bad ones who are either ignorant, dumb, a wacko, etc. I don't have the time to tell you all what I know about teachers with advance degrees who don't even know how many weeks there are in a year, when the civil war was fought, etc. I personally know about that. Thank you, thank you very much
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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    So a backhoe operator puts out X amount of dollars for his machine he is not allowed to charge a grocery store clerk the cost of doing the clerk's driveway? What is this communism?

    I find it odd that you would not have qualified teacher considering the large selection of university graduates that you put out every year. Oh I forgot, all those people went into private schools.
    This makes no sense whatsoever. Public shools don't directly charge each student, but rather tax all Americans, including those who don't even have children, to pay for the teachers. Now you want us to pay even more for public school teachers then it would cost for private school teachers if we were allowed to keep our tax dollars and spend the money on private schools where Socialism and homosexuallity is not taught to our children but theological values may be?

    You do think like a true Communist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
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    Amazing she did it while attending a publicly funded school.
    What part of Australia is Wisconsin in Printer?

    Granted, most of today's students of public schools would not know where Wisconsin is either, but I did expect you to know.
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    To add to Glenn's assessment of their being good teachers in public schools, they are also hindered by socialist administrations and socialist organized labor.

    Why in the world would government workers need to be protected by organized labor? If we can't trust government to be fair to employees, why should we trust government at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    Funny printer. I was really referring to government secondary schools not colleges and universities. Even though there are lots of curriculums that should never be in any public funded college along with "students" who should never have been admitted.

    For the record there are good teachers but they get no better treatment than the bad ones who are either ignorant, dumb, a wacko, etc. I don't have the time to tell you all what I know about teachers with advance degrees who don't even know how many weeks there are in a year, when the civil war was fought, etc. I personally know about that. Thank you, thank you very much
    We probably would agree on there being good and bad things in the public school system. But I think a lot comes down to the local school boards responding to parents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    This makes no sense whatsoever. Public shools don't directly charge each student, but rather tax all Americans, including those who don't even have children, to pay for the teachers. Now you want us to pay even more for public school teachers then it would cost for private school teachers if we were allowed to keep our tax dollars and spend the money on private schools where Socialism and homosexuallity is not taught to our children but theological values may be?

    You do think like a true Communist.
    I have no children and I pay taxes that support our school system. Why should I pay for some kid's education? I also pay taxes that go into building and fixing roads that I will never go on. Why should I?

    You know I am not really sure. It might be to do with something along the lines of what I want to see this country to be, that the country advances for more than a few people and we all have a brighter future.

    I am sure the store clerk would not be able to pay for private schooling for his three kids on $20k a year. But why should his kids be educated, we need people that pick up the trash among other things. Why not even go back to the 1800's where the divide between rich and poor keeps each in their own class. Not the rich guy's fault the poor man can not afford to educate his kids.

    You know I think you may be right Robo, I am a communist. I actually do care about my fellow citizen, or should I say comrade?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    What part of Australia is Wisconsin in Printer?

    Granted, most of today's students of public schools would not know where Wisconsin is either, but I did expect you to know.
    A buddy of mine moved to Wisconsin (He married an American, she spent ten years here and then wanted to move back closer to her family. Ironic he does IT work for a school system.) miss him.



    The eastern coast. Here, I have a map and directions for you.



    See you folks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    We probably would agree on there being good and bad things in the public school system. But I think a lot comes down to the local school boards responding to parents.
    Local school boards don't mean squat anymore in the U.S. So much federal money is used that federal mandates supercede any local authority. I was seeing this happen when my boys were in school 15 years ago.

    I was a parent who was very active with my boys schools, and I had nothing but problems with the way the public schools interferred with family issues. The more government (schools in this case) takes over the lives of some folks, the more they rely on government to rear their children. Too many Americans now believe that they have little control over their children and that it is up to government to take responsibility. Government interference has created this thought process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    I have no children and I pay taxes that support our school system. Why should I pay for some kid's education? I also pay taxes that go into building and fixing roads that I will never go on. Why should I?

    You know I am not really sure. It might be to do with something along the lines of what I want to see this country to be, that the country advances for more than a few people and we all have a brighter future.

    I am sure the store clerk would not be able to pay for private schooling for his three kids on $20k a year. But why should his kids be educated, we need people that pick up the trash among other things. Why not even go back to the 1800's where the divide between rich and poor keeps each in their own class. Not the rich guy's fault the poor man can not afford to educate his kids.

    You know I think you may be right Robo, I am a communist. I actually do care about my fellow citizen, or should I say comrade?
    Private schools can be paid for with vouchers (a form of government funded school choice) at half the cost of public schools. With vouchers, you still pay taxes, but your children get educated at the best schools.
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    In my opinion, for what its worth..

    The PUBLIC school system is an absolute failure at ALL levels.
    The public shool systems are SUPPOSE to be a NON-PROFIT type of organization as they get their money from taxes...
    Pooh........
    EVERYTHING I saw while teaching a technical program for 8+ years was the administration had 2 main dictators for the 'success' of the individual school.
    One was the number of students - in our case that equaled MORE MONEY.
    The other was test scores.....something was wrong IF students were not making A's....so teachers, naturally, INSURED that their exams were easy enough for the majority of students to make A's...

    I was the ONLY teacher ( that I am aware of ) that did NOT give multiple choice exams.
    The previous teacher that I took over for had 'study' sheets with 20-25 statements & then an associated multiple-choice exams that corresponded EXACTLY with his study sheets.
    IOW: He TAUGHT the exam. As many others do....

    So, school administrators set an 'air' of more money ( students ) & do not really care about the QUALITY of instruction as long as students make A's.

    As I have seen several times, GOOD TEACHERS are WHIPPED & BEATIN DOWN by the administration & the governements RULES & REGULATIONS that instead of
    supporting them, they simply take away a teachers give-a-sh_t until that teacher CONFORMS to their standard of MONEY 1st & student success = A.

    I have personally seen, 3 teachers, who were adamantly involved with teaching students ( I was one of em ), fired, while being replaced with someone who does not know the information nor CARES about the students.

    I have seen high-schoolers come in that many had to take remedial courses before being allowed to take the basic math or englished that was required for graduation in our programs.

    That is a failure of high schools / elementary schools, which to me is primarily due to our being PC & trying to teach so many different venues for students, while trying to teach them with 'new technology', which is another fundamental flaw of all school systems.

    The government thinks that to teach, the teacher needs to use all the latest TECHNOLOGY, so they teach from computers....IOW: The teachers let the students learn from a computer system.....& this starts in kindergarden....

    It is amazing that we learned without such 'technology'.

    Of course, PARENTS, have some responsibility here...but hey, our government HAS taken control of our children...We feed them breakfast, lunch, & sometimes even dinner, while we provide day-care for after school.

    All the parent has to do is drop the child off in the morning & pick them up late that evening, leaving the parent with little time ( or inclination ) to become involved with their childrens education.
    IOW: The government is mainly responsible that parents do not take the time with their own children.....

    & just to mention...I hate the VOUCHER system....
    Why should my tax dollars pay for someone to get a PRIVATE education.
    Most private schools started up & grew due to the parents who did NOT want their children being taught in a system that allows the worst kids / students to control the classroom environment...IOW: Bad kids interrupt classes, & slow learners hold the faster learners back...
    But now, these slower learners, bad kids can get vouchers to attend private schools. Heck this is one reason why parents send their kids to private schools.
    So where do parents send their kids now, to promote greater learning & an atmosphere that promotes parent involvement, when the kids they are trying to keep their kids seperate from can get a voucher to attend that school.

    It all 'sucks' & there ain't no answer, until PEOPLE start following the basic rules of a good society....
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    & just to mention...I hate the VOUCHER system....
    Why should my tax dollars pay for someone to get a PRIVATE education.
    Most private schools started up & grew due to the parents who did NOT want their children being taught in a system that allows the worst kids / students to control the classroom environment...IOW: Bad kids interrupt classes, & slow learners hold the faster learners back...
    But now, these slower learners, bad kids can get vouchers to attend private schools. Heck this is one reason why parents send their kids to private schools.
    So where do parents send their kids now, to promote greater learning & an atmosphere that promotes parent involvement, when the kids they are trying to keep their kids seperate from can get a voucher to attend that school.
    First of all, you have my sympathy and my respect, as well as the sympathy and respect of many who have read your post, no doubt.

    But the voucher system is not a bad system. It makes a lot of sense. It may sound like a pie-in-the-sky scheme to some, especially those who are frustrated and exasperated by their educational environments and by the current state of affairs, but it has been installed in several states and countries, and it works. And when your tax dollars pay for it, it costs you half as much as the current public school system.

    When I went to school, the class size was 35 students, and the teacher was the one who controlled the classroom. Students were graded according to their grasp of the subject, and they became well educated. There were fast kids and slow kids; there were bad kids and good kids. The only ones that got held back were the slow kids, and they needed to be held back. A voucher system will make this possible again, because the teachers and their administrators will care more about their students than their retirement plans.

    When parents send their kids to private schools, it's not just because there are bad kids in the public school, it's because kids have little chance of getting ahead in a system that has become corrupted by the establishment of selfish and dishonest priorities. The voucher system takes these priorities away.

    Why does it work? It works because schools compete for the dollars that are controlled by the parents, not dollars controlled by the government. In order for schools to become successful, they won't just give students good grades, they will develop reputations. They will get rated by independent agents (like consumer goods and restaurants are, for example), so that any doubts about their quality will be minimized.

    We don't need to separate students. We need to get them into schools that work.
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    By the way, what is the difference between a private school and a public school?

    A. The teachers
    B. The neighborhood
    C. The curriculum
    D. The buliding
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    The correct answer is F, none of the above.
    The difference between a public school and a private school is where the money comes from. That's the only criterion that determines the difference. Private school money comes directly from the parents. Public school money comes from the parents also, but first it goes to a variety of government and school administrators in the form of property taxes, income taxes, sales taxes, and lotteries. So when people worry about fairness and opportunity and unfair advantage of one type of school over the other, consider this: if tax-funded vouchers are used to pay for a child's education, and the parents decide which school to send their children to (and therefore which school gets the money), does that mean the school is
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    A. a private school?
    B. a public school?
    C. both of the above?
    D. neither of the above?

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    Maybe it's one a them hybrid things.
    Last edited by Space Racer; 05-30-2011 at 04:44 PM.
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    Change your vacuum pump oil now.

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