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  1. #1
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    Fixing a CHAINSAW CHARLIE spagetti incident!

    It's been a while since I've done an install.
    This Saturday I installed a system for someone at work.

    They'd always had air flow problems and of course complained about the noisy GOODMAN sitting outside their bedroom wall.




    Obviously the Air handler has leaked condensate for some time.
    Check out the p-trap. It's at a downward angle, rendering the trap useless.
    To the upper right of the photo is a flex duct that is pulled through the upper trusses then down and twisted into the side of the supply plenum. Making a S shaped KINK in the flex!






    The kinked flex duct and sags everywhere like this don't help.







    I installed a new Am Standard. 13 SEER HP with an upgraded 4TEE Variable Speed Blower along with fixing the sags and kinks in the flex duct that Chainsaw Charlie installed like Spagetti in the attic!



    One thing I did that most Arizona installers/companies don't do is spend the extra bit of time and effort to move the line set to the other side of the condenser so the access panel isn't up against the wall.
    Those companies I used to work for would install this unit like the old one was to be in and out faster. But that puts the access to the filter, OD TXV and RV to the wall in a situation like this!




    Take note that my condensate has a CLEAN OUT tee before the trap. :-)










    The one long run used to make a S shaped kink through the upper truss and down into the front side of the plenum. Dumb.

    I rerouted the flex duct to the new supply plenum with the kinks removed and both long runs come out of the end. Bathroom comes out the top, other close run out the back. Removed sags in the attic by adding strap.
    Air flow is much better.

    It's been over 10 years since I've done an install. This took me all day. But I sure as heck wasn't going to install a new system back the way the other one was. No way. leave that for the typical Arizona HVAC contractors!
    True Heavy Metal Geek

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    good to see your standards are still high
    It`s better to be silent and thought the fool; than speak and remove all doubt.

  3. #3
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    Looks good

    You need to start using overflow switches on your coils and pans.



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  4. #4
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    Thanks.

    I guess if I installed all the time I could use the swtches.

    I have a job on site now doing refer and electronic stuff, etc.

    This was installing a system for a coworker. Othwise besides the special job in Cali last yr where I installed 3 16 seer units in "grow rooms" this was the only install in years.
    True Heavy Metal Geek

  5. #5
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    Talking

    Hi shawn how are you you allways do good work.
    only fault i find is the out side outlet looks like its falling out of the box
    and thanks to youre old iron maden video i think of youre getting ready video when i hear run for the hills and thats played alot on my music choise digital radio

    Quote Originally Posted by PaysonHVAC View Post
    Thanks.

    I guess if I installed all the time I could use the swtches.

    I have a job on site now doing refer and electronic stuff, etc.

    This was installing a system for a coworker. Othwise besides the special job in Cali last yr where I installed 3 16 seer units in "grow rooms" this was the only install in years.

  6. #6
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    That attic must have sucked. Did you have to remove all the wood trim from the access hole. Just to get it up there? Or did you fold the cabinet up.

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    attic

    I dont see how anyone could work in the kinda space .....
    My avatar is a picture of a Goodman Silencer .....These were commonly used in Goodman country ....Photos by hvac tech ( PaysonHVAC )

  8. #8
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    that attic actually has a little room.

  9. #9
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    Shawn, Why didnt you install a R/A plenum? But other than that it looked okay.... lol
    If you don't know... ASK!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tranedog View Post
    Shawn, Why didnt you install a R/A plenum?
    He didn't have any "room" for it.

  11. #11
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    Nice work. I'm sure your co-worker appreciated it. I've seen all kinds of crazy installs by gypsy contractors down here in the valley on the controls side in the last 30yrs and worse by homeowners and Property Management facilities guys.
    Like they say, there's never enought time to do it right the first time but there's always plenty of time to re-do it.
    A few years ago I was in Payson to evaluate one of the "Special Systems" on a campus and could not believe what I saw inside some junction boxes. Yikes.
    DG

  12. #12
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    good to see apost from ya payson--- why????? do you run the flex out of the front of the box?? a no no in my world unless it is the only flex- kills air flow for ducts off the side of the box NO? other than that great job!!!!!!!!! picked up a customer the other day just moved here from Ariz.. hope they like the humdity here
    It is what it is unless I say differently !!!!

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    I hate people who nit-pic so I'll keep my mouth shut

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