Originally posted by greenhornet
1. The trade school I go to gives you a list of the tools you need, a map of an A/C supply house that has 6 locations around town, and if you buy your tools from them they give you a 20% discount.
2. The trade school I go to offers a 3 month prep course just for preparing for the HVAC exam, and they cover ALL the licensing laws & rules.
3. People skills, I think spending 4 1/2 hours 3X a week at school with a wide variety of different type of people is a GREAT way to develop people skills. Where do you develop your people skills? At the local watering hole?
All you guys that want to rip on trade schools, where did you learn all your skills? Did you just wake up one morning and it had all come to you overnight in a dream? The trade school here is turning out techs that go on to open their own HVAC businesses, and do very well for themselves. Maybe thats why you feel the need to put down trade schools beacuse you know they are turning out guys that are going to go into business for them selves and give you more competition or maybe you dont like trade schools because the students who went are better techs than you.
[Edited by greenhornet on 08-24-2005 at 08:18 PM]
Wow I don’t even know where to start you seem to have all your ducks in a row for someone who only got into this earlier this year
To you I would say you are one of the reasons there is a problem in this field
Do you plan to be self employed by time you finish school??
And coming out of school and being a better tech than these guys here that have done this their whole lives, man you are in for a rude awakening
Maybe the school you go to is the exception to the rule but I believe that more realistically you are delusional
The school will give you a good start but it is just that a start
This trade is not an easy one if you do things right, and to run a successful business is even harder
I know the book you have tells you how to fix everything and you know about all there is to know which is great but if you really want to see how smart you are post what you think you know and let some of the smartest guys in the world (in this field) teach you how much you really don’t know
As far as people skills, simply being around people does not teach you what you need to know for the most part, although you will pick it up if you are smart but some people never do
Well I could go on about this forever but I won’t just want to say I think you took Steves post entirely out of context and proved yourself to be pretty bad off
If for no other reason than you don’t know enough to know, that you don’t know enough
Were your panythose bunching up that day, Steve????
Originally posted by Steve Wiggins
#1 most important tool to own, cost $20 - Voltstick for high voltage
I found this live wire hanging in a closet and never would have attempted to check it with a regular meter.
Originally posted by senior tech
I would consider this a decent starter list, I have many, many tools and equipment that I use that are not on this list, as you mature in the field you'll learn more of what you need (Or may not need, but just gotta have!)
Snips- Lefts, right, straights
hand seamers, flue crimpers
Nut Drivers Long handle magnetic 1/4, 5/16, 3/8
pliers, needlenose and regular
wire strippers and crimpers
combo wrenchs (most common 3/8, 7/16, 1/2, 9/16)
adjustable wrenchs (commonly known as crescent wrench)
Refrigeration guages (R-22 and R-410a)
Cordless drill (Maquita angle drill a must for me)
1/4 and 5/16 bits and 6" extension for drill
In addition to this
Tubing cutter(s) (Rigid)
Flashlight (Get a good one)
Mulit-tool (Gerber, leatherman)
Multi-meter (fluke 16 or 32 see Grainger for an HVAC kit)
ball peen hammer (estwing see Grainger)
Digital thermometers (at least two)
linesman’s pliers (klien ,bahco)
offset boxed end wrenches 3/8” X 7/16 and ˝” X 9/16”
Valve core removal tool (ball valve style)
Flaring kit (imperial)
3/8” ratchet kit ( snap-on[expensive but the best] husky/craftsman/SK-good choices)
Don’t skimp on quality. A few tools of excellent quality is better than a wheelbarrow full of junk.
Snap-on, Bahco, Knipex and Pro-to are expensive but excellent professional quality tools.
Husky, Craftsman, Stanley, Vaco and SK are more reasonably priced and good choices for the beginner.
A list of other good brands is eastwing (hammers) Malco (sheet metal tools) Lennox (cutting tools) CLC (tool bags and pouches) REFCO (heavy duty refrigeration tools)
Do not buy tools of lesser quality than these, and never go to harbor freight.
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Any Fluke distributor should be able to order one for you.
Originally posted by outside rep
hey where do you get on of those snazy tools I want on just for the heck of it
Fluke has two different models, one for 20-90 volts and one for 90-1000 volts.
I just looked at the Fluke site and their models now beep. I prefer the older models (AC1 & AC2) they don't beep, but just glow. The new ones beep & glow.
(glad I have a new "older version" back-up for when the current one fails)
I just read where you can turn off the beeping sound on the new model.
Nevada has the answer two left hands.
multimeter - with temp probe
cordless drill + nut drivers + unibit
trane charging chart
and possibly some open end wrenches
and of course lineman pliers