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    Obama vs UN Resolution 242!?

    Obummer is not backing down from his stand that Israel needs to concede borders back to where they were pre 1967, before the Six Day War;
    Obama sought to alleviate concerns that his administration was veering in a pro-Palestinian direction by placing Thursday's major Mideast policy speech in the context of Israel's security. He told the American Israel Public Affairs Committee that the border lines he referred to reflected U.S. thinking dating back to President Bill Clinton
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110522/...re_us/us_obama

    Now, I haven't checked into what Obama is referring to with President Clinton yet, but the U.S. stand on the Israeli borders has always been what UN Resolution 242 declares it is, and that inludes Israel's right to maintain defendable borders as in the borders of Israel after the Six Day War.

    I can understand the Palestinians never accepting UN Resolution 242, but the U.S. not only accepts it, we were instrumental is designing it. So, in essence, Obama is siding with the Palestinian's over the U.S.
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    Maybe since UN Resolution 242 has not had a positive result it is time for a change.

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    Obama is many things; paramount of those is a fool.

    The Israelis were not the aggressors in the Six day or Yom Kippur war and any land acquired is theirs and should remain as such.

    Palestine is not a sovereign country never has been; the Palestinians are an unwanted people on all sides including the Muslim nations surrounding them.
    Obama is a Muslim first and will always lean towards the Muslim side.

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    Quote Originally Posted by classical View Post
    Obama is many things; paramount of those is a fool.

    The Israelis were not the aggressors in the Six day or Yom Kippur war and any land acquired is theirs and should remain as such.

    Palestine is not a sovereign country never has been; the Palestinians are an unwanted people on all sides including the Muslim nations surrounding them.
    Obama is a Muslim first and will always lean towards the Muslim side.
    The Jews were an an unwanted people that had no country of their own. They created one by pushing Palestinians off their land and into refugee camps which the Israelis have under occupation for generations. Why should other countries have to take in others displaced off their own land? Since then the Israelis have taken more and more of the territory and built towns and cities in defiance of UN resolutions not to. Thumbed their noses at the US when told to stop building by their biggest benefactor. It is almost as if they do not want peace but to stretch out the process until they effectively occupied all the desirable land.

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    Israel is the birthplace of Christianity and the original homeland of the Jews. It is their land and they were pushed off their homeland Millennia ago and they have now returned.
    The UN is a worthless organization that amounts to nothing but a drain on the American economy and should be disbanded.

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    These are the same tired old arguments that have been used to keep the bloodshed alive and well, in that region. The very sad truth, I suspect, is the only peace that region will ever see is the peace of the grave.
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    Quote Originally Posted by classical View Post
    Israel is the birthplace of Christianity and the original homeland of the Jews. It is their land and they were pushed off their homeland Millennia ago and they have now returned.
    The UN is a worthless organization that amounts to nothing but a drain on the American economy and should be disbanded.
    And how much claim do they have on the land after 2000 years? Are you going to give back the US to the remaining American Indians saying sorry you made a mistake? Germany occupied part of Poland, Poland part of Germany, Russia had the eastern half of Europe, who should have title to what?

    Seeing that the Palestinians have been kicked off of the land they used to live on up to the last hundred years I think allowing them the slivers of land that encompaces the pre 67 war is not a great hardship. They have built communities in occupied land in order to break up any continuity of a Palestinian state.

    Mind you that is the opening bargaining position, not like the Israelis would just say 'OK' without further bargaining. That would be like going to buy a car and tell the salesman you want to pay the sticker price.

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    Quote Originally Posted by engineerdave View Post
    These are the same tired old arguments that have been used to keep the bloodshed alive and well, in that region. The very sad truth, I suspect, is the only peace that region will ever see is the peace of the grave.
    Time is on the Israelis side as every year they build on more of the available land. And they know it. So why would they want peace till they took all they could?

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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    Maybe since UN Resolution 242 has not had a positive result it is time for a change.
    Not much will ever have a positive result for that region. That is not the point. The point is that Obama is making the claim that the U.S. has always stood for the Israeli borders to be taken back to pre-Six Day War times when Israel was at the mercy of constant Muslim attacks from the regions taken away from them by the Israeli's. That is a lie.

    Just because President Clinton ignored Resolution 242 never meant that the U.S. was ever against it. We cannot just have presidents going off doing their own thing in the U.S. We are not a dictatorship....yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    The Jews were an an unwanted people that had no country of their own. They created one by pushing Palestinians off their land and into refugee camps which the Israelis have under occupation for generations. Why should other countries have to take in others displaced off their own land? Since then the Israelis have taken more and more of the territory and built towns and cities in defiance of UN resolutions not to. Thumbed their noses at the US when told to stop building by their biggest benefactor. It is almost as if they do not want peace but to stretch out the process until they effectively occupied all the desirable land.
    So, Canadians and Americans should give our respective countries back to the indigenous peoples we defeated to acquire this land? I mean, at least the land that is now Israel was previously occupied by Jews before the Muslims and Christians pushed the Jews out of the area.

    The problem with Palestinians, who are not actually a recognized nation but rather a branch of Arab (ironically, closely related to Jews as far as nationality goes). The issue is not really a Palestinian versus Jew issue as it is a Muslim versus Jew and by extension versus the rest of the free world issue.

    Yes, Arabic nations most certainly should be taking Muslim Palestinians (yes, there are Palestinian Jews, but they are in Israel and don't usually associate themselves as Palestinians any longer) into their countries. Palestinians are Arabs, and they all came from the Arabian area of the Middle East.
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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    And how much claim do they have on the land after 2000 years? Are you going to give back the US to the remaining American Indians saying sorry you made a mistake? Germany occupied part of Poland, Poland part of Germany, Russia had the eastern half of Europe, who should have title to what?

    Seeing that the Palestinians have been kicked off of the land they used to live on up to the last hundred years I think allowing them the slivers of land that encompaces the pre 67 war is not a great hardship. They have built communities in occupied land in order to break up any continuity of a Palestinian state.

    Mind you that is the opening bargaining position, not like the Israelis would just say 'OK' without further bargaining. That would be like going to buy a car and tell the salesman you want to pay the sticker price.
    So, in your mind, it's only a matter of time? How long before you will defend Jews in Israel for protecting "their" land? 100 years? Five generations? After the last original Jewish occupier has died? When?
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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    Time is on the Israelis side as every year they build on more of the available land. And they know it. So why would they want peace till they took all they could?
    The problem is not just in acreage. The problem is defendable borders from a geographic standpoint.

    If the Sinai Peninsula, Gaza Strip, West Bank and Golan Heights could be designated as baren land not to be occupied but as a buffer between Israel and the Muslim nations surrounding Israel, then it could be negotiated that Israeli's leave that land. But what good would that do anyone?

    Israel has very good reasons with previous issues for not letting go of those areas that were taken by Israel during the Six Day War. Muslim Palestinians have proven over and over again that they cannot be trusted to be in those regions without their attacking Israel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    So, Canadians and Americans should give our respective countries back to the indigenous peoples we defeated to acquire this land? I mean, at least the land that is now Israel was previously occupied by Jews before the Muslims and Christians pushed the Jews out of the area.

    The problem with Palestinians, who are not actually a recognized nation but rather a branch of Arab (ironically, closely related to Jews as far as nationality goes). The issue is not really a Palestinian versus Jew issue as it is a Muslim versus Jew and by extension versus the rest of the free world issue.

    Yes, Arabic nations most certainly should be taking Muslim Palestinians (yes, there are Palestinian Jews, but they are in Israel and don't usually associate themselves as Palestinians any longer) into their countries. Palestinians are Arabs, and they all came from the Arabian area of the Middle East.
    So you are living in an area, the blacks push you out, take your house, take your land, and fence you in. Will you fight them? Or will you just get on with your life saying 'Well they were here 2000 years ago, I should never have set foot on the land.'?

    The problem is specifically a Palestinian verses Jews problem, when Osama and company started using the Palestinian cause as a way to legitimize their violence the Palestinian leaders said piss off, this is not a religious issue but one of citizenship and compensation of property.

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