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  1. #14
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    Originally posted by stephy

    You might want to leave work at work unless somone ask you a tech Question about the brand you rep.. [/B]
    I live and breath this stuff 24/7. You might want to try another forum if you don't like what others have to say.
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    Originally posted by RoBoTeq
    Originally posted by stephy

    You might want to leave work at work unless somone ask you a tech Question about the brand you rep..
    I live and breath this stuff 24/7. You might want to try another forum if you don't like what others have to say. If you read a little better you will notice this is not a tech oriented thread[/B]
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    Sorry Robo..
    Didn't mean to get you upset.
    I was just trying to spare you of the pain that may come from your new line you rep..
    I have no problem with it[all manf. have a good, better,best]
    Its just that the Local Dist. in this area was the worlds worst at selling anything to anybody..
    It will take a while to regain customer and contractor confidence..
    Good Luck
    Stephen
    "Value our Differences"

  4. #17
    I have installed and serviced what feels like a million systems. All the names brands and non name brands have passed thru my hands at one point or another. The basic measure to go by is a very old rule. You get what you pay for! American Standard is my favorite right now. The same equipment and Trane just a diffrent sticker and a lower price. (P.S. American Standard company owns Trane.)Thats my opinon and we all know opions are like#$%^@# everyone has one. Dont cheat yourself talk to the HVAC contractor and ask thier recommendation. Buy the best system you can afford. It will pay for itself in the long run.

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    Originally posted by stephy
    Sorry Robo..
    Didn't mean to get you upset.
    I was just trying to spare you of the pain that may come from your new line you rep..
    I have no problem with it[all manf. have a good, better,best]
    Its just that the Local Dist. in this area was the worlds worst at selling anything to anybody..
    It will take a while to regain customer and contractor confidence..
    Good Luck
    Stephen
    Damn! I hate it when I misread the intent of a poster. I was a bit tired last night when I responded and do apologize for my crappy response.

    I figure any of us that regularly post on this forum must be HVAC geeks that actually like talking about this stuff. Again Steph, I apologize for being an ass with my comments.
    Government is a disease...
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  6. #19
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    ch407,

    You ask a good question.

    Basically what is being said here is that there is not a lot of difference between brands right now. Most companies that manufacture HVAC equipment are large, well financed, reputable companies.

    One interesting thing is that most "off brands" are made by companies that also make "name brands".

    For instance:

    Goodman is the same as Janatrol
    Bryant is basically the same as Carrier (Payne is also manufactured by Carrier)
    Rheem is the same as Ruud
    York manufacturers at least three brands: York, Luxaire and Coleman (Fraiser-Johnson also but they don't really use this brand very often)
    Trane is basically the same as American Standard
    Most of the other brands are either made by ICP or Nordyne.
    Comfortmaker is an ICP product.

    The only "brand" I'd suggest staying away from right now is Haier. This product is made in China and I believe the only way this product is being sold in this country right now is based on price. I don't have any negative experience with Haier, I just think they don't have a proven track record in the US (HVAC equipment anyway) and I'd hate to be stuck if there are problems.

    The biggest difference in what equipment is installed, is who install's it.

    If the contractor you are working with likes Comfortmaker or Bryant, it probably means he has a good working knowledge of the equipment and has a good relationship with the local distributor. This can make a huge difference if a problem does come up.

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    Just to clarify; Goodman is Goodman. Goodman has manufactured Janitrol branded products since the early 1980's, but it is the same exact product as the Goodman, GMC and other branded names that have been used. The product label will still say Goodman Manufacturing on it and the model nomenclature will still be the same.

    Goodman also owns Amana HAC including Amana PTACs.

    Janitrol was a very well established heating company that started in the late 1800s that Goodman bought in the early 1980s. There is no corrolation between the Goodman equipment manufactured today and the Janitrol products of the last century. Goodman has utilized Amana technology to enhance all of its product lines and is the most prominent singular name brand in American households today.

    United Technologies, which owns the Carrier, Bryant and ICP branded products (Tempstar, Heil, Comfortmaker etc.) holds the lead as the largest manufacturer of HVAC equipment in the Americas when all of the brands are combined.

    American Standard is now the parent company of Trane and American Standard HVAC products.

    Rheem Manufacturing is the parent company of Rheem, Ruud and Weatherking products.

    York also manufactures the Luxaire brand, Lennox the Armstrong brand and so on.

    I'm not really sure that there are any "no name" brands on the market unless we consider some of the new foreign products that are hitting our market. And these are only not known in this region of the world.

    [Edited by RoBoTeq on 08-02-2005 at 09:49 AM]
    Government is a disease...
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    Thanks for clairifiying Robo.

    The thing is, most "brand names" are connected in some way. Its kind of like that three degree's of seperation thing.

    In three steps you can just about bring any brand into a family of about 6 or 7 manufacturers. ie. Comfortmaker is made by ICP, ICP is owned by Carrier.

    The thing I don't like about the off shore products is that they may use parts that are not as available as the products made domestically. If you have a Haier unit with a bad compressor, and the local distributor does not have it in stock, how long does it take to get one? What about a capacitor. Does the Haier use a 5 - 7.5 or 10 mic run like everyone else? Or do you have to special order it if you need one?

    Buying one and putting it in one house is one thing, a contractor staking their reputation on a non-proven product (in the US anyway) because of price? I just think that is bad business practice.

    Just my opinion, it didn't cost anything and it's probably worth what you paid for it.

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