its funny because the replies Iam getting, Iam not a low baller as a matter of fact Iam considered to be kind of high $$$$ I never had a problem with competition until about 3-months ago, I was getting top dollar, you say give them quality, Iam (bragging or you may think cocky) but one of the best and fussy contrators around, I dont cut corners, use Trane (and some will say thats why because tehre expensive, Iam a dealer and I get my equip for alot cheaper than you think, even my Trane rep. has been working with me to drop the price I pay for Trane even more, equip. witin about $200 of Goodman) but Ive been around for 20 years, things in the economy, and like I said it was never like this until now, everbody and there brother is opening up a shop trust me, there working damn cheap, hell you can buy Ruud condenser, air handler, whip, lineset, pad and condensate in a package for what you would pay for Bryant (which is cheap to buy) Trane , Carrier, York, a/s etc. but the main thing is guys are working out of vans, like I stated no lettering, no commmercial plates, station wagons, here in Boston it has not been like this since the mid 80's, I see alot of changes coming, but the thing thats hard to figure , is how the 13 seer thing will effect things. People are shopping for price alot of them, I had a nurse today make $45/hr. huge rock on hand husband makes six figs. when I told her price to replace heat pump she says is theat the best you can do? And my price was resonsonable. Trust me my friends things are changing here anyway.