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  1. #14
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    Actually Florida law will mandate 13 SEER ,based on install date ,not mfr. date in 2006.It won't be in January,probably June or July,2006.

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    Originally posted by dash
    Actually Florida law will mandate 13 SEER
    Actually, it is a Federal DOE mandate that specifies 13 SEER as the minimum. But you knew that dash, right?

    http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-IMPA...-17/i18533.htm

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    Originally posted by travisfl
    Originally posted by dash
    Actually Florida law will mandate 13 SEER
    Actually, it is a Federal DOE mandate that specifies 13 SEER as the minimum. But you knew that dash, right?

    http://www.epa.gov/fedrgstr/EPA-IMPA...-17/i18533.htm
    Yes ,but the feds allow units manufactured before 1/23/2005(close to that date,not sure),to be installed after that date.Proposed ,Florida law,will be on install date,regardless of date manufactured.

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    I hadn't heard about that...and I thought I followed the 2005 legislative tomfoolery pretty carefully.

    Is it a revision to the FBC (i.e. Energy Efficiency Code) or a stand-alone statute? Got a reference?

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    Not at this time,but I'll try and get one.


    Heres another one,you may not be aware of,though it may be deleted.

    Building Code,not mechanical code,309.1.1 requires 26 gauge sheet metal for duct system ,in the garage.This was deleted from the mechanical codes,thanks to efforts of A/C associations,that most all here say "do nothing",but left in the building code.


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    My copy of the 2004 FBC (effective October 1, 2005) reads:

    "R309.1.1 Duct penetration. Ducts in the garage and ducts
    penetrating the walls or ceilings separating the dwelling
    from the garage shall be constructed of a minimum No. 26
    gage (0.48 mm) sheet steel or other approved material and
    shall have no openings into the garage."

    Are you doing something different?

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    Just saying that many are not aware,and it's likely to be dropped ,before implementation date.

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    Okey doke.

    You know, there is a good part of the FBC / FMC / FPC that I don't agree with, but this is one paragraph that makes sense to me. Oh well...

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    Dash,
    I'm up in Jacksonville and have been pricing out units for the past three months trying to determine whether I need to change out my Payne 10 seer units as we have added 600 sq feet (300 each floor) to our house. I calculated from the past 12 month bills and could not justify spending more money on a 13 seer vs. a 12 seer. If I am wrong, please let me know because I'm all going with the most efficient unit possible.

    Thanks! And Happy 4th.

    Steve

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    First I can only speak for our prices,but in Florida,I can't see why it would cost $2000.oo to go from 12 to 13SEER.

    Regardless of theoretical savings ,based on SEER,which is not real world conditions,I think in Florida,it's worth the money to get a variable speed air handler.That's the main cost of getting to 13 SEER in many brands and sizes.


    Variable speed with the proper controls ,like Thermidistat or Infinity,will allow a much lower humidity level during cooling.Most customer raise the temp. 2 or 3 degrees,as "it's not the heat it's the humidity"

    A good variable speed with the right controls ,provides more comfort,what's comfort worth ,to you?

    Many utilities have rebates that help offset the cost.



    "going all with most effecient unit possible"Not sure what you mean,as much higher SEERs are available.

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    Dash,
    One of the salesreps left his file folder here and never called or came over to pick it up. There is a $2200 difference between a 13 seer system they are selling and the 12 seer system (3 ton). There is a difference of the VS handler between them.
    If I get a 10% savings per month (our biggest bill has been $220), I'm going to save somewhere between 12 and 22 per month so I'll average a yearly savings of $200. It will still take me 11 years to recoup the costs.

    Heck, I'd be glad to hire you, pay for your travel and lodging expenses if I can get a better deal from you. Seriously.

    Steve

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    What model numbers and brands?


    With Carrier ,making the 12 SEER outdoor unit ,into a 13 SEER you add a VS airhandler to the same oudoor unit.Or you can go with a more deluxe outdoor unit as well,which would make the cost a lot greater.

    Most of our builders have gone to 13 SEER,that won't have happened at a price like that.

    How many estimates did you get?


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