Results 1 to 11 of 11
  1. #1
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Dry as a bone Tucson
    Posts
    4,026

    "Trust, but verify"

    "Trust, but verify"

    I have read and heard this many times. I think Osiyio said it somewhere but I really dont know where it came from. Anybody know?
    Some Talk, Some Do
    "keeping condensing pressures low and evaporator pressures high"
    Comfort is my goal
    Blog
    Web
    Facebook


  2. #2
    Join Date
    Jun 2006
    Location
    Richmond, VA
    Posts
    2,689
    Ronald Reagan i believe
    It's not the Brand with the fewest repairs-It's all in the install!!! Attention to detail and using the best materials!

  3. #3
    Join Date
    Nov 2001
    Location
    Seattle, WA
    Posts
    7,711
    Doesn't make any diffference who said it since those words are diametrically opposed.

    Needing to verify something that is trusted is acting in a way of not trusting. And acting in a way of not trusting is not trusting.

    If you work with one person who states that they turned off the power to something you are about to work on and you have absolute faith in that person you will not verify or check their work. This is typically due to a history of past experience with this person in similar situations.

    If you feel necessary to verify the work of another person who is in the same position, then you are not trusting them if you have to go verify their work.
    "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the public's own money.
    - Alexis de Toqueville, 1835

  4. #4
    Join Date
    Nov 2004
    Location
    Austin, TX
    Posts
    860
    Russian proverb used by Reagan.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust,_but_verify
    “I am for doing good to the poor, but...I think the best way of doing good to the poor, is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it. I observed...that the more public provisions were made for the poor, the less they provided for themselves, and of course became poorer. And, on the contrary, the less was done for them, the more they did for themselves, and became richer.”
    ― Benjamin Franklin

  5. #5
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    Location
    East of Lyndon's
    Posts
    525
    Quote Originally Posted by DeltaT View Post
    Doesn't make any diffference who said it since those words are diametrically opposed.

    Needing to verify something that is trusted is acting in a way of not trusting. And acting in a way of not trusting is not trusting.

    If you work with one person who states that they turned off the power to something you are about to work on and you have absolute faith in that person you will not verify or check their work. This is typically due to a history of past experience with this person in similar situations.

    If you feel necessary to verify the work of another person who is in the same position, then you are not trusting them if you have to go verify their work.
    What about if I turn the disconnect off but still check for voltage at the contactor? Am I then not trusting myself??? If someone tells me a gun's
    not loaded, I still have to treat the gun as though it's loaded.
    If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.

  6. #6
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Dry as a bone Tucson
    Posts
    4,026
    Any project manager or superintendant (or for that matter anyone that is responsible for "anything") that does not "trust but verify" finds himself in a heap of trouble soon enough.
    Some Talk, Some Do
    "keeping condensing pressures low and evaporator pressures high"
    Comfort is my goal
    Blog
    Web
    Facebook


  7. #7
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Atlanta area
    Posts
    2,332
    Or, as they say in military leadership training classes,

    "Inspect what you expect."
    Vacuum Technology:
    CRUD = Contamination Resulting in Undesirable Deposits.
    CRAPP = Contamination Resulting in Additional Partial Pressure.

    Change your vacuum pump oil now.

    Test. Testing, 1,2,3.

  8. #8
    Join Date
    Nov 2001
    Location
    Seattle, WA
    Posts
    7,711
    Quote Originally Posted by Wendo View Post
    What about if I turn the disconnect off but still check for voltage at the contactor? Am I then not trusting myself??? If someone tells me a gun's
    not loaded, I still have to treat the gun as though it's loaded.
    In actually, I'm agruing against myself as I still, most of the time, do the same thing. But it also applies to the degree in which harm can be done.

    If I ask if this person to unlock the roof door so we can get up and down and I trust them, I don't double check. If I don't trust them I check for myself. But little harm can be done if it's a simple case of unlocking the door.

    If's it's the two example you present, yep, I still check but that could also be for other reason such as the circuit breaker marked "water pump" might not be marked correctly or there may be another live circuit feeding within the pump box or circuit. So I double check for safety reasons.

    But, still, in principal...if you trust the person/situation you don't verify. If you don't trust the person/situation, you verify.
    "The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the public's own money.
    - Alexis de Toqueville, 1835

  9. #9
    1) 26474. Gurdjieff, George. The Columbia World of Quotations. 1996
    ...faith is required; what is required is simply a little trust and even that only for a little while, for the sooner a man begins to verify all he hears the better...

  10. #10
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Posts
    937
    I thought that was said by Henry Kissinger. Another that I attribute to him is. "Nations have no friends, only interests". Since we are all our own little nations we need to remember that.

  11. #11
    Join Date
    May 2007
    Location
    Dry as a bone Tucson
    Posts
    4,026
    Quote Originally Posted by NicholasMartin View Post
    1) 26474. Gurdjieff, George. The Columbia World of Quotations. 1996
    ...faith is required; what is required is simply a little trust and even that only for a little while, for the sooner a man begins to verify all he hears the better...
    Thanks Mr. Martin

    We called ourselves ‘The Seekers of Truth!’ another of his quotes.....

    "Life Is Real Only When I Am"...........another quote

    “man must live till he dies.” .......another

    Wow....what a character.....http://www.gurdjieff.org/travers1.htm

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Gurdjieff
    Some Talk, Some Do
    "keeping condensing pressures low and evaporator pressures high"
    Comfort is my goal
    Blog
    Web
    Facebook


Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
Comfortech Show Promo Image

Related Forums

Plumbing Talks | Contractor Magazine
Forums | Electrical Construction & Maintenance (EC&M) Magazine
Comfortech365 Virtual Event