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    Question Goodman vs Carrier?

    Hello. I just signed up on this site today. I am new to this whole site, so please excuse any stupidity.

    My wife and I are in need of a new furnace. I've had about 5 estimates and proposals given to me. And I've basically narrowed it down to two brands: Goodman and Carrier.

    There is a Goodman GMH95070 95% gas furnace and a Carrier 58HDX060 95% Single Stage gas furnace.

    Any thoughts on which one would be better? I talked to my dad and he said that he's heard of Carrier, but not Goodman.

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    Don't be fooled. Brand is not nearly as important as the company that checks the system for size and design issues. I've attached some documents you would be well advised to read and heed. You've spent considerable time inviting 5 companies to provide quotes. You now have some information that allows you to decide which company or companies are providing qualified quotes and which are cutting corners. Armed with this information, once you've established that you have qualified companies/quotes, then I'd follow the suggestion of the company you choose to do the work.
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    If you are waiting for the 'other guy' to change first, just remember, you're the 'other guy's' other guy. To continue to expect real change when you keep acting the same way as always, is folly. Won't happen. Real change will only happen when a majority of the people change the way they vote!

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    Carrier vs. Goodman

    The Industry mantra still lives and reigns true.
    " its not as much the manufacturer as it is the installer that's most important"

    A little back drop may or may not help
    Carrier founded in 1902 -
    Goodman founded 1982

    I am referring to both manauls as I write this- so no guess work here

    The GMH95 is a two stage gas valve- more efficient than the 58HDX one stage gas valve, although the installer has to activate the two stage by flipping the dipswitch, once this is done the adjustment is made automatically depending on outdoor temp sensor.


    Both have limited lifetime warranty on heat exchanger

    Fans- The Goodman has a low constant fan speed. the Carrier has a PSC direct drive blower motor, not sure if Goodman is PSC or ECM- book doesnt say. ECM would be better.

    Self diagnostics- the goodman has a control board that stores the last 5 diagnostic codes- helps the service tech

    One thing is that Goodman can be represented by anyone just about, where Carrier has a little bit stricter requirement as to who reps the product. If the Goodman guy only has Goodman to offer and nothing else- well this could be a sign he could not rep anyother product because he's a putz. Alot of good companies offer Goodman as a budget friendly product as a back up from the more well know brand they also rep.

    Warranties can vary as the dealer is sometimes in control of the length of the warranty especially with labor warranties, so look for the length of the warranties offered both in parts and labor.

    I sell both products. I have a Goodman in my home, it was cheap gimme a break! It was also done 8 years ago-was sized wrong 155,000 BTU for a 100,000 BTU with 2.5 ton sized duct work. The experience, professionalism and CARING of the company doing the work shows here--I had a couple monkies put it in for next to nothing. The control board burnt out and I have overspent on utilities ever since. You will hear Carrier sucks ans you will hear Goodman sucks. In hind site I wish I paid more for a company that did a load calc and had install specialist.

    GOOD LUCK

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    One more thing

    Both of these units are some of the cheapest 95% furnaces offered by either manufacturer. I might recommend spending a little more maybe 10% or so and look at

    Goodman GMVC95 and the Carrier 58MVC

    Both of these are the manufacturers best models, Goodman is a 2 stage and Carrier is a modulating or in reality a 3 stage so its not exactly apples to apples but both are the best that each manufacturer makes and since its the longest lasting, hardest working appliance in your Dads house it may be worth the extra couple bucks to do it right. Both will offer lower utility bills than the original models discussed so he should have a payback eventually and both will offer a more consistent level of comfort around your Pops house with variable speed fans and 2-3 stage heat, which may be of benefit later if you ever opt for a 2 stage AC upgrade.

    CHEERS!

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    I would not go with either they are crap! I would go with a york or trane even the off brand of trane american standard. That is just my opinion. Good luck.

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    Goodman may have a 2 stage gas valve but it is time controlled only, can't use a 2 stage stat for proper control. Never heard of an outdoor sensor on it

    2 stage systems are NOT more efficient, some say on low they are less efficient.

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    Goodman usually has a ten year warranty on everything if im not mistaken. Carrier sometimes has five year parts or labor and sometimes they have ten on both. Goodman is definitley cheaper but, they both are good given correct install. Also, it's usually easier to get goodman parts then it is carrier. (given you have to be a dealer). Our company installs carrier but if it were my house, Id go with goodman becuase they're so much cheaper with a good warranty. Then again, i don't have to worry about anyone else installing it either!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcarver34 View Post
    I would not go with either they are crap! I would go with a york or trane even the off brand of trane american standard. That is just my opinion. Good luck.
    I see you are new to this site. Coments like this not only make a person look ignorant, they also start useless brand bashing wars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frank514 View Post
    The GMH95 is a two stage gas valve- more efficient than the 58HDX one stage gas valve, although the installer has to activate the two stage by flipping the dipswitch, once this is done the adjustment is made automatically depending on outdoor temp sensor.
    The GMH is a two stage gas valve. This particular model is a timed delayed 2-stage furnace. Which means that the staging is based solely on run times, nothing more.

    Fans- The Goodman has a low constant fan speed. the Carrier has a PSC direct drive blower motor, not sure if Goodman is PSC or ECM- book doesnt say. ECM would be better.
    That model does not have a low constant fan speed. It's more like medium. The low constant fan is only on the *MVC models. The GMH is not a ECM motor, nor is it variable speed. It's PSC, which limits your future AC purchase, since a variable speed motor is required for a 2-stage AC, which is anything over and including 16 seer.

    Self diagnostics- the goodman has a control board that stores the last 5 diagnostic codes- helps the service tech
    No they do not. ONLY the *MVC models have them. It's the emerson communicating board that stores the information, and is thus not on GMH, or GMV.

    One thing is that Goodman can be represented by anyone just about, where Carrier has a little bit stricter requirement as to who reps the product. If the Goodman guy only has Goodman to offer and nothing else- well this could be a sign he could not rep anyother product because he's a putz. Alot of good companies offer Goodman as a budget friendly product as a back up from the more well know brand they also rep.

    Where would Amana stand in this?

    Warranties can vary as the dealer is sometimes in control of the length of the warranty especially with labor warranties, so look for the length of the warranties offered both in parts and labor.

    I sell both products. I have a Goodman in my home, it was cheap gimme a break! It was also done 8 years ago-was sized wrong 155,000 BTU for a 100,000 BTU with 2.5 ton sized duct work. The experience, professionalism and CARING of the company doing the work shows here--I had a couple monkies put it in for next to nothing. The control board burnt out and I have overspent on utilities ever since. How is this an installers fault? You will hear Carrier sucks ans you will hear Goodman sucks. In hind site I wish I paid more for a company that did a load calc and had install specialist.
    If you sell both products, then why didn't you have your OWN installers install it?

    GOOD LUCK
    As mentioned, alot of things are dependant on installation. That being said - I would go Amana over Goodman. Better warranty, made by the same company, better parts. Carrier to Amana, Either way. Also, I would go variable speed, which would be a *MVC system.

    Note: * is either A or G, A standing for Amana equitment, G standing for goodman equitment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dcarver34 View Post
    I would not go with either they are crap! I would go with a york or trane even the off brand of trane american standard. That is just my opinion. Good luck.
    Carrier is not junk! The brands you recommend are OK, but in no way superior! Obviously you are familiar with those brands and assume they are the best. I'm not a fan of Goodman, due to them selling to anybody with a truck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcarver34 View Post
    I would not go with either they are crap! I would go with a york or trane even the off brand of trane american standard. That is just my opinion. Good luck.
    A company can't sell an inferior product and still be in business for over 110 years, and be sold by some of the most reputable contractors in the industry....

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    Quote Originally Posted by dcarver34 View Post
    I would not go with either they are crap! I would go with a york or trane even the off brand of trane american standard. That is just my opinion. Good luck.
    My opinion is that all brands are honestly the same crap. But, if they were bulletproof like they used to be. I wouldn't have a job. So crap isn't always bad.
    I like DIY'ers. They pay better to fix.

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    Wogger,

    I serviced mostly goodmans (cause that is what we installed) and some carriers so I can give you some input. I've seen both units last 25+ years and only 5 years. So choosing the right contractor is a must. Goodman has better warranties than carrier, but carrier is a more quality unit. Goodman materials is cheaper than carrier. Hate to say this, but If the price is the same and both do good work i would rather choose carrier over goodman. but if it is a big different, I would go for goodman, cause they will last the same age as long as you maintaine it.

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