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  1. #27
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    Mike
    I'm not mad at you, just disappointed. I don't understand why a professional resorts to personal attacks when it has nothing to do with my request for help. What I do for a living has nothing to do with wanting to educate myself on a subject before confronting someone I thought I could trust. Seeking wise counsel is what I'm after. I've got 5 kids to raise. I don't have the financial luxury of repeatedly trusting someone if I think they made a mistake on such a large investment of my money. That's the reason I came back to this website.

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    Originally posted by chillbilly
    There are people who will tell you about their 30 years of experience and it means NOTHING because they've been doing it wrong for 30 years. Proper technique has no correlation to experience,
    So that confirms it my wife is here just for the money, I bet I won't buy no more Viagra, she can just suffer.
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  3. #29
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    Actually Bill that quote was original to yours truly.

    Personal attacks tmoss? Calling your tech fat and calling you ugly, now that would be personal. Assessing a situation at your request and commenting on the tech that helped to create the situation, that's just cold dry analysis. Get over it. This site is dominated by contractors, not audience members of the Oprah Winfrey show.

  4. #30
    [QUOTE]Originally posted by dash
    [B]So are you saying you have more than a few years in the trade?

    Who do you think was checking up on you?







    Funny that you would be the one responding to this post Dash.
    How many years is a "few" years?
    I have 6 years in industrial refrigeration and 6 years in commercial and residential HVAC. That's 12 years since you seem to be counting. Another 15 years as an inside/outside machinist. That's 27 years in mechanical trades.
    But I agree with Irascible.
    Experience does not reflect ability and can only be utilized to gain some general insight.

    I am married with 2 children, I have a lovely wife, 2 cats, a dog and a nice home and I enjoy all sports and chess.
    Anything else you need to know?

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    Not personal attacks, criticism of designer

    FWIW I agree with Irascible that there were not any personal attacks. Tmoss described parts of the design which are really extremely wrong by the standards I see in Hvac-Talk, and then asked if they were OK. Mike gave a very thoughtful, thorough analysis and then said the hack who designed that system should be Stooge-slapped in public. Seems to me that Tmoss is actually the designer in charge, that he received good advice from his HVAC guy and chose not to follow it. Whatever the soap opera behind it, I am convinced Mike went the extra mile and did no personal attacks. Professional scathing criticism, yes but that was called for.

    Best wishes -- P.Student

  6. #32
    I agree Perpetual.
    If someone comes on the site looking for answers then objects to the content or style of the answer, it becomes a thread of useless attacks and even the best information gets lost.
    Looking back at the posts, the questions were answered by Mike and again by Irascible succinctly and honestly.
    Everyone here has different styles of communicating.
    If the information has been revealed, does it have to be delivered in a form that does not step on toes?
    If that's the case, many useful answers would never be given.
    There should be a caution given.
    Thicker skin may be needed to visit the site and ask questions

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    Cool

    'Nuf Said.


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    It is interesting to follow this thread and try to determine exactly what the original poster is seeking. I am certainly not an expert in the field of HVAC but come here to gain knowledge which will help me understand the right questions to ask experts in improving my home's air quality and comfort level.

    The original question posed: "Is this system being optimized" was answered by some very knowledgeable people that it wasn't. The original poster then followed up with comments that caused confusion for me when he said:

    1) his HVAC guy recommended a different unit than the one installed (but the poster asked for and received something else),
    2) He doubts his HVAC guy ran a Manual D but doesn't know,
    3) His HVAC guy told him his installation wasn't optimized and to let him know when he wanted him to come back and make it right (so the poster already knew the answer to his original question),
    4) "he knows he (HVAC guy) won't encourage him to spend money doing something that isn't beneficial" (yet the poster continues to go against the optimized recommendations)
    5) The poster has twin newborns and three other children yet thinks 73 degrees is too cold for his babies (the recommended temperature is actually closer to 70 by pediatricians and SIDS experts worldwide),
    6) the poster "trusts his hvac man" (but won't follow his advice and seeks other opinions here, then, defends his HVAC man when experts here provide other opinions to optimize his system)
    7) his HVAC guy's primary goal was "to get it installed and running" (not to optimize)
    8) he (hvac guy) set it on 450cfm "because I ASKED him to" (the hvac guy said to call him back when it needed adjusting because it wouldn't remove enough humidity),
    9) the poster was seeking "to educate myself on a subject before confronting someone I thought I could trust" (he trusted his HVAC guy in his post approximately 12 hours earlier and certainly defended his HVAC guy in his other posts)
    10) the poster, referring to his hvac guy, doesn't have "the financial luxury of repeatedly trusting someone if I think they have made a mistake on such a large investment of my money" (only 12 hours earlier the poster "knew" his hvac guy wouldn't encourage him to spend money doing something that wasn't beneficial)

    While I have had some difficulty following the original poster's logic he should certainly be given some slack as a father of 5 children, two of whom are 10 week old twins. If I was in that position I would not be able to connect two thoughts that made any sense whatsoever. The experts here have provided what appears to me to be good information and I have learned from reading their comments and appreciate their advice.

    Maybe tmoss could ask his HVAC guy what he thinks should be done to optimize his system and then post those recommendations for the expert's opinions here.

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    Originally posted by iceman143
    he should certainly be given some slack as a father of 5 children, two of whom are 10 week old twins.
    Good point iceman.

    You're doing the Lord's work tmoss. Keep it up. This HVAC stuff is rather meaningless in the end.

  10. #36
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    Thank you. I don't have time to respond to all 10 of iceman's observations. I appreciate the input. My hvac man will be here next week to review what needs to be done to improve the system. I'll post an update. Sorry for any confusion on my part. I tried to be brief in my initial post thinking that would suffice. However, I have learned some things that I can quiz hvac man on.

  11. #37
    I believe it was Yosemite Sam that used the word IDGET

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    Is this the same tmoss from the corral? if so you must be doing good at the intake porting business, to afford that 19i

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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by chillbilly
    [B]
    Originally posted by dash
    So are you saying you have more than a few years in the trade?

    Who do you think was checking up on you?







    Funny that you would be the one responding to this post Dash.
    How many years is a "few" years?
    I have 6 years in industrial refrigeration and 6 years in commercial and residential HVAC. That's 12 years since you seem to be counting. Another 15 years as an inside/outside machinist. That's 27 years in mechanical trades.
    But I agree with Irascible.
    Experience does not reflect ability and can only be utilized to gain some general insight.

    I am married with 2 children, I have a lovely wife, 2 cats, a dog and a nice home and I enjoy all sports and chess.
    Anything else you need to know?


    I'm not counting,just remembering ,something about "less than 4 years in this trade",I thought thats what you said,am I wrong again?










    Lets go see,before you answer.

    http://www.hvac-talk.com/vbb/showthr...threadid=59271



    4500 hour in the field,about 2 years,with overtime,paid or unpaid.


    Aren't you the guy that posted a thread entitled integerity?

    [Edited by dash on 07-09-2005 at 06:40 PM]

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