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    LNAS ain't the only one. Carrier BSS seems to be going on a national decline, all markets I've been in they run bare bones crews. Source R&HVAC is way overrated, just take a branch team picture, it's going to be different faces each & every year. At least Honeywell BS pays Jm scale to their guys & they never even have to touch a large chiller!

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    no offense to anyone making the $16-22 range but that's an insult to offer an experienced & capable light commercial tech .. even in the savage world of national accounts

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    Quote Originally Posted by hvac wiz 79 View Post
    no offense to anyone making the $16-22 range but that's an insult to offer an experienced & capable light commercial tech .. even in the savage world of national accounts
    I do agree with that...I"ll let you guys know what happens...just keeping options open for now as I do have a firm offer from another company (residential) that is a smalller service area with ESTABLISHED clients.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hvac wiz 79 View Post
    no offense to anyone making the $16-22 range but that's an insult to offer an experienced & capable light commercial tech .. even in the savage world of national accounts
    It doesn't matter if you're non-Union, but let's say you work in a market where the Union scale wage is $50/Hr. & it's very close to prevailing wage. A Union Sm makes 80-90% of Jm, so why can't a non-Union light com. AC service tech make the equivalent of 70-80% of the Jm wage? Honestly in this example you're selling yourself short by about $18/Hr.

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    Ask them my question. Straight faced, no smile. See what they say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MechanicallyInclined View Post
    It doesn't matter if you're non-Union, but let's say you work in a market where the Union scale wage is $50/Hr. & it's very close to prevailing wage. A Union Sm makes 80-90% of Jm, so why can't a non-Union light com. AC service tech make the equivalent of 70-80% of the Jm wage? Honestly in this example you're selling yourself short by about $18/Hr.
    With the union an $18/hr on the paycheck isnt all that bad cause the benefits are great, when you add annuity,pension,heath care,training and overtime after 8hr. the $18h/hr becomes more like $40/hr.
    with Lennox NAS $22 on the paycheck after they ding you for uniforms, healthcare and travel time at $11/hr your $22 turns into $14/hr really quick. forgot to mention NAS does not pay you to be oncall.

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    Ask them where the door is so you can leave as soon as possible But in all seriousness, I would just read through the posts on here and you pretty much have your answer. And to elaborate on the not getting paid to be on call, you also will not get overtime to be on call. Their pay period ends on Friday, and begins on Sunday. So if you have a real jack of a branch manager, he can screw with your hours during the week to make sure you don't get any OT... You also must remember, your branch managers wage is based off of how much money the branch makes. The branch makes more money by changing parts, and it doesn't matter if the parts are really bad or not. I know a guy that still works there, and he was told every PM he goes on should have a quote, they aren't making any money doing a PM at X client for X dollars, so you need to quote X amount of dollars so we can make money... Or they could just bid the account to make money, but then they wouldn't have any accounts, because they sure don't get them on reputation or customer service. Also, I guess their new policy is no OEM parts, if they can find something that "will work" from Grainger or somewhere cheaper than OEM, they have to get them there. They are no longer allowed to get motors or anything that can be purchased at Grianger from Carrier, Trane, York, Lennox or any other manufaturer...But I would be willing to bet the customer isn't seeing the price difference on the cheaper parts...

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    Quote Originally Posted by valdelocc View Post
    With the union an $18/hr on the paycheck isnt all that bad cause the benefits are great, when you add annuity,pension,heath care,training and overtime after 8hr. the $18h/hr becomes more like $40/hr.
    with Lennox NAS $22 on the paycheck after they ding you for uniforms, healthcare and travel time at $11/hr your $22 turns into $14/hr really quick. forgot to mention NAS does not pay you to be oncall.
    $18/Hr. being Union? That sounds like a 1st year Apprentice or Tradesman in Denver or Phoenix!
    Health & Welfare, Pension A, Pension B, On-call Pay, Uniforms, Hand Tools over 14", Power Tools, Work Equipment and Instruments all have to be provided by the company @ no on-the-check cost. I'd love to be able to buy a regional non-Union HVACR company then organize it. I'd like to see how many anti-Union guys would bail on these new benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wisconsinapp View Post
    Ask them where the door is so you can leave as soon as possible But in all seriousness, I would just read through the posts on here and you pretty much have your answer. And to elaborate on the not getting paid to be on call, you also will not get overtime to be on call. Their pay period ends on Friday, and begins on Sunday. So if you have a real jack of a branch manager, he can screw with your hours during the week to make sure you don't get any OT... You also must remember, your branch managers wage is based off of how much money the branch makes. The branch makes more money by changing parts, and it doesn't matter if the parts are really bad or not. I know a guy that still works there, and he was told every PM he goes on should have a quote, they aren't making any money doing a PM at X client for X dollars, so you need to quote X amount of dollars so we can make money... Or they could just bid the account to make money, but then they wouldn't have any accounts, because they sure don't get them on reputation or customer service. Also, I guess their new policy is no OEM parts, if they can find something that "will work" from Grainger or somewhere cheaper than OEM, they have to get them there. They are no longer allowed to get motors or anything that can be purchased at Grianger from Carrier, Trane, York, Lennox or any other manufaturer...But I would be willing to bet the customer isn't seeing the price difference on the cheaper parts...
    Just had interview today and I don't see any of this stuff from what I can tell from my meeting with them. I went in with a ton of questions that were all answered to my satisfaction. (From truck stock and tools, benefits, on-call and OT pay, sales required, turnover, travel time, etc.) Of course you are expected to make a certain amount of sales, but that goes for how thorough a tech you are doing PM's as well. OEM parts are expected to be utilized as much as possible but there will be times that a local generic motor or part may be needed to get a system running from a service standpopint. Who doesn't know that? I'm sensing a lot of disgruntled thoughts here as Lennox has been buying up local companies, as some other companies are doing as well. I have talked to some techs in this area who have experienced that process and find the split to be 50/50 over when to stay or go. Policies change with ownership change, too. IMHO, its a matter of where one will feel compfortable doing the job that you get hired to do, and if the policies change, thats the time to speak up, adapt, or move on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by timebuilder View Post
    Ask them my question. Straight faced, no smile. See what they say.
    Did you have a bad experience with this outfit? Am I missing something? There seems to be a lot of bashing of this company, but does it apply to this area? Please elaborate. I've worked for Nextech a couple of years ago (great pay, no issues) but had to leave for personal reasons, seems Lennox NAS is similar in their process and that they may be trying to get their things organized, more than what I am reading on this website. As stated, I was just looking for some info on how to approach the interview, not a finger pointing session.
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    people gave you info and what they heard and their expeirances .... you were fine with that till you interviewed and liked the dog and pony show ... now you act like you never wanted advice .lol I wish you luck with whatever you decide to do but i wouldnt ask advice if you cant handle a forum type response . Godspeed
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    Quote Originally Posted by rednecktech View Post
    people gave you info and what they heard and their expeirances .... you were fine with that till you interviewed and liked the dog and pony show ... now you act like you never wanted advice .lol I wish you luck with whatever you decide to do but i wouldnt ask advice if you cant handle a forum type response . Godspeed
    I can handle the advice very well, thank you, don't assume anything. I'm just weighing in options and, like I previously posted, have a firm offer from a residential company in Philly. I didn't say if I was happy or not with Lennox NAS interview, just looking for more responses from possibly other techs than the three or four who have replied more than once. I get the opinion it's not worth the aggravation, duly noted. Don't be angry, it's all good! No need to jump the gun. I guess it's good to have three interviews within a 10 day span--gives me some ammo to compare with the other outfits I'm considering. You just didn't like my response, it's ok.
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    haha i really dont care what your response is ..." Im from Texas " lol ...I also hope you find a place you like that can be good for you and your family . You would think with a name like Lennox you couldnt loose but who knows these days . I like a balance of work and family and to be precieved as a professional not just a guy with a wrench , some freon and a cooler of beer in the truck lol .
    An air conditioning or refrigeration unit never signs a check for me! PEOPLE do that,and you should never allow yourself to forget that WE fix the problems of people,not machines.They are at the heart of our business,one way or another,and polishing the skills required to provide solid customer service will never be a waste of your time

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