Lennox NAS

[Lennoxnas]

Hopefully some one at Lennox NAS is reading this(corperate) and understands how unhappy it's employees are. Hopefully those company's that are selling out will read this and understand what NAS is doing to there employees and customers that they worked so hard to get and think twice about selling to them. If not I see a really short life span. Or maybe it is just a company to pass through and get your foot in the door. I do not know first hand because I am fortunate enough to work for an exellent company. The two company"s I have worked for in my 26+ years in the bizz have been great to me. I do know if you treat your employees like a crap that is the kind of work you will get from them.

They do. They did a confidential survey that they required each employee do. When the results were in we had a company conference call. They spent time on anything that was rated positive. When the benefits came up the HR manager spent no time on it, just casually passed it over. Saying, we did a study and our pay scale is within industry standards. So they listened they just did not hear it.

[timebuilder]

Remember, when you are just above "worst," you are within industry standards.

[ChrisTechMech]

thats illegal under federal labor laws
any travel other than the daily commute is required by law to be paid at your hourly rate. there and back.
ANY TRAVEL that is any form of your job. meaning to a class thats mandatory, or needed to keep you job must be paid, as well as the training time its self

There are all sorts of companies out there that don't pay training time, if its a class room setting or especially internet and not during normal work hours. I've heard of companies that only pay minimum wage during travel time. Not too many around here but supposedly they exist.

[90DEGREES]

ex nas employee, stay away!!!! time is catching up to them, very bad reputation, no one wants to work for them, customers dropping like flies from what I hear...........

[ChrisTechMech]

Hopefully some one at Lennox NAS is reading this(corperate) and understands how unhappy it's employees are. Hopefully those company's that are selling out will read this and understand what NAS is doing to there employees and customers that they worked so hard to get and think twice about selling to them. If not I see a really short life span. Or maybe it is just a company to pass through and get your foot in the door. I do not know first hand because I am fortunate enough to work for an exellent company. The two company"s I have worked for in my 26+ years in the bizz have been great to me. I do know if you treat your employees like a crap that is the kind of work you will get from them.

AMEN, AMEN, AMEN!!!

[hvac wiz 79]

There are all sorts of companies out there that don't pay training time, if its a class room setting or especially internet and not during normal work hours. I've heard of companies that only pay minimum wage during travel time. Not too many around here but supposedly they exist.

getting paid minimum wage to travel is wrong & such bullsh!t. especially if that company charges a travel fee which most i know do of 1 hour. if i ever agreed to something like that id be expecting some commission on parts i sell along with any equipment.


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[ChrisTechMech]

Actually, as I recall, I have a friend that used to work for Benner until it was bought out unexpectedly. One day he works for Benner and the next, he works for Lennox NAS. He thought he was going to some training class and they made an announcement that they now are Lennox NAS employees. He is TOTALLY unhappy there. That was only about a few weeks into it. Later on I found out that his manager is a young guy with little service experience.

[ChrisTechMech]

[QUOTE=hvac wiz 79;12722601]getting paid minimum wage to travel is wrong & such bullsh!t. especially if that company charges a travel fee which most i know do of 1 hour. if i ever agreed to something like that id be expecting some commission on parts i sell along with any equipment.

That's how they do it, with FR pricing too.

[ldmth44]

Called in for an interview to Lennox NAS later this week, any suggestions (other than the previous posts) would be appreciated. Dont need the disgruntled banter, just some real, discerning sugggestions. I have an offer for residential company here in Philadelphia area already, but my experience is 14 years in retail commercial work. Looking for job now as I was laid off from a NJ commercial-residential company back in January. Every company has its pros and cons, just want to see what is offered, ask the necessary questions and make a determination as to whether or not to go residential or not. Thanks, gentleman.

[valdelocc]

Called in for an interview to Lennox NAS later this week, any suggestions (other than the previous posts) would be appreciated. Dont need the disgruntled banter, just some real, discerning sugggestions. I have an offer for residential company here in Philadelphia area already, but my experience is 14 years in retail commercial work. Looking for job now as I was laid off from a NJ commercial-residential company back in January. Every company has its pros and cons, just want to see what is offered, ask the necessary questions and make a determination as to whether or not to go residential or not. Thanks, gentleman.

try to get as much money upfront as you can, for what I heard they pay between $16 and $22 for experienced rooftop jockeys, benefits arent that great,good thing is no gps and new trucks, when work slows they send you home, sometimes for months ,lots of corporate bs, read the fine print.never worked for 'em but a good friend did.

[timebuilder]

Called in for an interview to Lennox NAS later this week, any suggestions (other than the previous posts) would be appreciated. Dont need the disgruntled banter, just some real, discerning sugggestions. I have an offer for residential company here in Philadelphia area already, but my experience is 14 years in retail commercial work. Looking for job now as I was laid off from a NJ commercial-residential company back in January. Every company has its pros and cons, just want to see what is offered, ask the necessary questions and make a determination as to whether or not to go residential or not. Thanks, gentleman.

Ask, "how many units do I have to condemn each month and replace with new Lennox RTU's in order to be considered a productive employee?"

[kit352]

Find out what your truck needs to make per day/week. Get as much money from them upfront as possible. Make you you find out if they pay travel or not. My friend worked for them and they didnt pay the first and last calls travel and they always had those the farthest from him. He would work his way in towards his place then the last call would shot him way out again. Drove him nuts.
Also find out what tools your allowed to carry, some have a maximum amout of stupid things like screwdrivers and such. Also get the price of the tools they supply upfront because when you leave they can and do audit you and charge you for lost/damaged tools. Ive seen the list some of my friends get charged for and its crazy.
Im not bashing the company, im just stating what ive seen people go through with them.

[MechanicallyInclined]

LNAS ain't the only one. Carrier BSS seems to be going on a national decline, all markets I've been in they run bare bones crews. Source R&HVAC is way overrated, just take a branch team picture, it's going to be different faces each & every year. At least Honeywell BS pays Jm scale to their guys & they never even have to touch a large chiller!

[hvac wiz 79]

no offense to anyone making the $16-22 range but that's an insult to offer an experienced & capable light commercial tech .. even in the savage world of national accounts

[ldmth44]

no offense to anyone making the $16-22 range but that's an insult to offer an experienced & capable light commercial tech .. even in the savage world of national accounts

I do agree with that...I"ll let you guys know what happens...just keeping options open for now as I do have a firm offer from another company (residential) that is a smalller service area with ESTABLISHED clients.

[MechanicallyInclined]

no offense to anyone making the $16-22 range but that's an insult to offer an experienced & capable light commercial tech .. even in the savage world of national accounts

It doesn't matter if you're non-Union, but let's say you work in a market where the Union scale wage is $50/Hr. & it's very close to prevailing wage. A Union Sm makes 80-90% of Jm, so why can't a non-Union light com. AC service tech make the equivalent of 70-80% of the Jm wage? Honestly in this example you're selling yourself short by about $18/Hr.

[timebuilder]

Ask them my question. Straight faced, no smile. See what they say.

[valdelocc]

It doesn't matter if you're non-Union, but let's say you work in a market where the Union scale wage is $50/Hr. & it's very close to prevailing wage. A Union Sm makes 80-90% of Jm, so why can't a non-Union light com. AC service tech make the equivalent of 70-80% of the Jm wage? Honestly in this example you're selling yourself short by about $18/Hr.

With the union an $18/hr on the paycheck isnt all that bad cause the benefits are great, when you add annuity,pension,heath care,training and overtime after 8hr. the $18h/hr becomes more like $40/hr.
with Lennox NAS $22 on the paycheck after they ding you for uniforms, healthcare and travel time at $11/hr your $22 turns into $14/hr really quick. forgot to mention NAS does not pay you to be oncall.

[wisconsinapp]

Ask them where the door is so you can leave as soon as possible But in all seriousness, I would just read through the posts on here and you pretty much have your answer. And to elaborate on the not getting paid to be on call, you also will not get overtime to be on call. Their pay period ends on Friday, and begins on Sunday. So if you have a real jack of a branch manager, he can screw with your hours during the week to make sure you don't get any OT... You also must remember, your branch managers wage is based off of how much money the branch makes. The branch makes more money by changing parts, and it doesn't matter if the parts are really bad or not. I know a guy that still works there, and he was told every PM he goes on should have a quote, they aren't making any money doing a PM at X client for X dollars, so you need to quote X amount of dollars so we can make money... Or they could just bid the account to make money, but then they wouldn't have any accounts, because they sure don't get them on reputation or customer service. Also, I guess their new policy is no OEM parts, if they can find something that "will work" from Grainger or somewhere cheaper than OEM, they have to get them there. They are no longer allowed to get motors or anything that can be purchased at Grianger from Carrier, Trane, York, Lennox or any other manufaturer...But I would be willing to bet the customer isn't seeing the price difference on the cheaper parts...

[MechanicallyInclined]

With the union an $18/hr on the paycheck isnt all that bad cause the benefits are great, when you add annuity,pension,heath care,training and overtime after 8hr. the $18h/hr becomes more like $40/hr.
with Lennox NAS $22 on the paycheck after they ding you for uniforms, healthcare and travel time at $11/hr your $22 turns into $14/hr really quick. forgot to mention NAS does not pay you to be oncall.

$18/Hr. being Union? That sounds like a 1st year Apprentice or Tradesman in Denver or Phoenix!
Health & Welfare, Pension A, Pension B, On-call Pay, Uniforms, Hand Tools over 14", Power Tools, Work Equipment and Instruments all have to be provided by the company @ no on-the-check cost. I'd love to be able to buy a regional non-Union HVACR company then organize it. I'd like to see how many anti-Union guys would bail on these new benefits.