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  1. #1
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    Jun 2005
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    Confused

    I am looking into a new heater and first time air conditioner. I live in a two story house in Pleasanton CA. The house is about 4000 sq ft (2000 on top and 2000 on bottom). The house was built in about 1910 and originally had a gravity furnace. The duct work is old and there are a couple of ducts in walls that I think leak. I can feel warm air flowing into closets. I've received bids from two contractors which were very different in approach.

    Contractor #1 bid a Carrier MSA 120-20 furnace and a Carrier TXA060 air conditioner. This contractor told me that because the ducts in my house are located on the interior walls that a two speed furnace really wouldn't be very helpful. He said that two speed furnace are effective when the ducting is located on the exterior walls and the low speed can be used to keep the temperature constant. This contractor said that the only way to fix the ducts was to open the walls. He said that the spray in sealants would only help with tiny leaks and likely wouldn't help with the gaps in 90 year old ducting.

    Contractor #2 bid created a couple of bids. The likely one was for two Trane XV90 furnaces (one upstairs and one downstairs). He also bid two Trane XL19i air conditioners. These are all two speed units. This contractor did not mention any concerns about location of the ducts. He recommended two separate units because Trane didn't make a single unit that could handle the 9+ tons of heating needs. He ran a heat calculation. This contractor also said the best way to fix any leaking duct would be to open the walls but did recommend using the spray in sealant first. He did express a concern that sometimes the framing of the house was used as the ducting and no ducting material was put in interior walls.

    Please provide me with your impressions of the above proposals. In specific:
    1. Are the advantages of a two speed furnace really for modern duct work and not for an old house with ducts from a gravity furnace?
    2. For old ducting can any liners be pulled through to handle the air flow from the new heater and air conditioner? Do spray in sealants work for the gaps found in 90 year old ducts?
    3. Are the products being recommended "good" solutions or are there other vendors I should be considering given my location and type of house.

    Please let me know any other questions you'd recommend I ask in making my selection. Also any recommendations on requirements that I should put in the contract.


  2. #2
    Join Date
    Apr 2005
    Location
    San Luis Obispo County, CA
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    The real question is, "How much money do you want to spend to get it right?"

    The only real, and best solution is to install new, insulated ducting. Anything else is going to give you problems, either with condensation running the A/C with uninsulated ducts, or poor performance because of inadequate sized and leaking ducts.
    Going with a high efficiency furnace and A/C will also be a waste unless insulaton, ductwork, and air infiltration issues are addressed.

    You live in CA, so you already know our electric and gas rates are outrageous. You also know that property values continue to rise, so money spent now may well be recovered when and if you sell. If you plan on living in this home for a long time, you should condsider your comfort as the priority, and efficient operation second. Either way, the only thing that will truly work and be worth the money, is a properly installed and sized system with new ductwork.

    Insulate and weatherproof the house first, caulk EVERYTHING.
    Then have the heat and cooling load calcs done. Then have the ductwork calcs done.

    Yes, it will be a mess to install, but that is only temporary. The comfort and value from a good, properly installed system will be there every day for you to enjoy.

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