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  1. #1
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    The house I have just rented has a brick hearth and chimney for a free standing fireplace or stove. I have had a stove before and loved it but you reall don't get to see the fire much with the doors closed and the wood burns too fast with the doors open.

    Anyone have any suggestions of what I can buy for this place?
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    I suppose you are renting so you don't want to get anything installed permanently? Otherwise you could look into gas inserts, unless you like the wood burning?

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    Post a pic of what is there.
    If you want to burn wood, you need to be real careful regarding clearance to combustibles. You should also have a stainless steel liner installed but in some jurisdictions up here it still wouldn't pass code because of the age of the house.

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    This is a three story 6" clay lined chimney designed for a wood burning stove. There is a large brick area in the living room with a brick wall and a semi-circular brick section of flooring for a freestanding stove.

    Sorry I don't have pics of the interior, but here is the exterior of the chimney. With that high of a chimney I should get a great draw.

    There is no fireplace, just a 6" Clay thimble through the brick wall with the brick section of flooring for a stove or freestanding fireplace.

    Also, should a flue damper be used with a sealed firebox?
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    I'm thinking of something like this; http://www.stovesunlimited.com/stove...ristolCIWS.jpg
    I'm thinking that this will give me warmth, the visual of the fire and a place to keep things on top of that I may want to keep hot.

    The last wood stove I had was a plain ole black stove that was great for heat and keeping things hot but had no visual aspects with the doors shut. The only way I could control the burn was with the doors shut which is why I ask about the damper.
    Government is a disease...
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    Cool planning woodstove installation

    Robo, I suggest you buddy up with your local hearth professional. Trying to teach this on this list would be like you trying to teach me about furnaces.

    With your background, you should have no trouble trading off services. He comes to your place and does the planning and you perform a simple p/m care on his heater. Actually, he should perform a Level II inspection which includes using a video camera.

    To locate someone in your area, check first if they are NFI Certified Wood Specialist. http://www.nficertified.org
    Next, you can try a chimney sweep either through http://www.csia.org or through the Guild at http://www.ncsg.org

    Plan on installing a full length stainless liner with the insulation required to meet UL1777. I'd check that thimble for clearances. Unlisted stove pipe carries an 18" clearance to combustibles. As for the wall and floor protection, 4" nominal brick gives you only a 50% reduction up to a max. of 12" away. If the brick was ventilated properly, it would give you a 66% reduction. These clearances are in lieu of a listing. If you have a listed stove, go by the listing first, then NFPA 211. Don't forget to check the floor protection requirements both for insulative protection and simple non-combustible protection.
    BTW, no pics made it to your post. Can you try again?

    You can also check out http://www.fireplaces.com

    HTH,

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    Everything for the hearth, brick wall and lined chimney is already there. I just need a wood burning box to set on the existing brick floor to pipe into the existing masonry chimney.

    I have installed many fireplaces and wood burning stoves in my life. I just wanted to know if anyone had a preference on what kind of stove to buy. The flue piping will be standard 24 gauge black painted stove pipe to the existing chimney wall thimble.
    Government is a disease...
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    What is your objective,to heat or to look at pretty colors?

    Remember that if this is in a living area,you will need a stove that will close up tight in spring/summer to avoid smells.

    I am partial to upright franklin stoves,"potbelly stoves".

    If you just want cheap heat ,and have no regard for looks (or smell),then there are other ideas...it's up to you.

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    Originally posted by RoBoTeq
    Everything for the hearth, brick wall and lined chimney is already there. I just need a wood burning box to set on the existing brick floor to pipe into the existing masonry chimney.

    I have installed many fireplaces and wood burning stoves in my life. I just wanted to know if anyone had a preference on what kind of stove to buy. The flue piping will be standard 24 gauge black painted stove pipe to the existing chimney wall thimble.
    Hello RoBoTeq. After burning wood in a fireplace insert since 1982, I am converting to natural gas. My joints and feet will no longer support the weight of wood. We had a nice Lopi stove with glass inside the cast iron doors. We did not use the fire screen with doors open for the reasons you kept your doors shut. Caution, glass gets dirty in the presence of wood fires. Keeping it clean requires scrubbing with special chemical cleaner and newspaper weekly at least. Opaqueness is less with very hot fires. But to do it again, I would still go for glass.

    If you are set on burning wood, look at the Vermont Castings and Jotel freestanding stoves as benchmarks. Otherwise, consider gas, preferably a direct vent unit, but for that, your 6 inch flue may be a constraint.

    By the way, thanks again for all your technical advice in 2003 when I bought a new HVAC system for the house. I am back in HVAC-Talk because of this gas insert business.

    Al

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    A little background. In my first house I installed a complete HeatAlater fireplace including busting a hole in my foundation wall and pouring a concrete addition to accomodate it.

    In my second house I completely installed a firewall backboard which I tiled for a country motif. This wall floated in front of the existing wall to allow for heat to transfer behind it to circulate throughout the living area. For this one I used a free standing stove I believe was made by Yukon and it heated my two and a half story home well.

    I am quite good at designing any heat system and have done many successful alternative fuel systems such as wood burning. Both of the homes I was buying that I did with woodburning components had MetalBestos chimneys rated at 2,200º F. My point here is that I know what I'm doing with the wood burning set ups, I just need to know if anyone has a preference of brand of stove of fireplace.

    I want to both heat the area and have the visual of the fire. Whatever I buy will be airtight when closed up with vents closed. My current home is a rental farmhouse that is already very well suited for a free standing stove or fireplace. Just looking for suggestions on current brands that will give me good burn performance with some visual of fire.
    Government is a disease...
    ...masquerading as its own cure…
    Ecclesiastes 10:2 NIV


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    Confused You can lead a horse to water...

    "My point here is that I know what I'm doing with the wood burning set ups, I just need to know if anyone has a preference of brand of stove of fireplace."

    On second thought, you really wouldn't be happy with anything on that fireplaces.com site...

    Good luck. Don't forget the most important component of your fireplace--the smoke alarm.

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    Am I speaking a strange language here? Everything for a stove of freestanding fireplace are properly existing as is a properly lined and constructed chimney.

    What am I not relaying properly?
    Government is a disease...
    ...masquerading as its own cure…
    Ecclesiastes 10:2 NIV


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    OK, rechecked that site and found what I think I want. My first time on that site I thought it was strictly for hearth materials, which I already have.

    Anyway, something like this seems to be what I am looking for http://www.fireplaces.com/products/d...MILL&brand=QDF

    While the room that the stove will be in is only 26'X 15' it has openings into the kitchen and entertainment area as well as a passive ceiling/floor pass through to the second floor hallway.
    Government is a disease...
    ...masquerading as its own cure…
    Ecclesiastes 10:2 NIV


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