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Thread: Copeland Scroll Compressor/Oil
06-08-2005, 04:54 PM #1Regular Guest
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My new 2 ton Ruud UAKB 024JAZ condensor copeland scroll compressor is making a loud hum that comes and goes but is there most of the time. My installer and 3rd party tech believe its because we used the .059 piston that came with the Apollo SA3024 air handler. The RUUD manual calls for a .057 piston.
My concern is that it ran quiet as a kitten for 4-5 days before It started making the noise. Seems like it would have started right away??
I have shut the system off. Tomorrow evening we are going to install the new .057 piston, vacuum the system down to 500 microns and recharge with R22.
What if anything has to be done about the compressor oil?? Is that removed during the vacuum process?? The 3rd party tech says the oil isnt removed during the vacuum??
06-08-2005, 06:19 PM #2Regular Guest
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This is generally correct. The evacuation process usually does not remove an appreciable amount of oil.
06-08-2005, 06:29 PM #3
Be sure a new liquid line drier is installed."In this house we obey the laws of thermodynamics!"
- Homer Simpson
06-08-2005, 06:48 PM #4
[QUOTE]Originally posted by mikeinva
My concern is that it ran quiet as a kitten for 4-5 days before It started making the noise. Seems like it would have started right away??[QUOTE]
You have cause for concern, I cant see a piston oversized by .002 being the cause of a compressor noise, not sure how your guys came up with that theory?
06-08-2005, 07:07 PM #5
Trial and error swamp, plus experience with mis-matched piston sizes. Using a #59 piston in an airhandler when the condensor requires a #57 is basically allowing too much freon into the evap coil and not enough in the compressor, resulting in excessive noise. I see this alot on Trane and Carrier systems. Change the piston, pull a GOOD vacuum (400 microns), recharge the system using a charging chart and 9 times out of 10 the problem is resolved."If you can't fix it, don't break it."
06-08-2005, 07:20 PM #6Professional Member
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The scrolls especially the later models with the internal releif will make noise if there is a high side restriction or a severe overcharge and the high side pressure exceeds 300psig. The releif is operating, look for fluctuation in high side gauge it should kick down from around 300 to around 260 275 every few minutes, the compressor will self destruct in short order if the condition is not remedied. What were the pressure readings and outside ambient when they were checking it. Some techs are used to working on older R22 units with Reciprocating compresssors where 300psig high side and more at above 90f ambient would be considered normal, it just will not work on a late model scroll the little fella will come apart. Very little oil is recovered when vacuuming a system and what little does come out will not hurt these systems, they hold a lot of oil and a bit less makes little to no difference. Ask those guys if they check charge level by superheat method I am sure they will weigh in the proper amount but you really need someone to do a airflow and superheat check to make sure operating parameters are normal for this unit.