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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    I fit into that category also, maybe more libertarian/conservative... and both tests proved it. The simple test was a bit more decisive than the big one... IMO the questions in the big one were kinda vague and questionably worded.
    Gotta agree with that. and what does abstract art have to do with such a poll ?

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Size:  2.7 KB i have been a libertarian for years, i don't agree with everything the party does (illegal immigration etc.) but for the most part i vote libertarian. i also believe in the basic tenet of the libertarian party "less government , more freedom"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gib's Son View Post
    Ok, I gotta buck.

    You disagree with 2, 3 and 4. All others are agree.
    Yeah, those are the only ones I did not totally agree with also... Only one strong disagree... the others were maybe's.
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    I am mostly a libertarian in my view of life and government, other than I believe our country needs a STRONG military to keep the despots and banana dictators in their place. Wimps get picked on... the guy that studies martial arts gets left alone.... IMO it is no different with countries... especially since they are run by people... surprise...
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdrake65 View Post
    Gotta agree with that. and what does abstract art have to do with such a poll ?
    A person's position to Abstract Art says a lot about how they percieve the world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Bill View Post
    That little quiz is great for Libertarian's to recruit new members, but the questions are deeply skewed to put most everyone in the Libertarian quadrant.
    From the FAQ of the WSPQ:

    Isn't this just a trick to get people to score "libertarian" -- even if they're not libertarians at all -- so they'll think they're libertarians and support libertarian causes?

    That's an instant reaction of some people when they first encounter the Quiz. And it's an understandable one. (It's good to be skeptical.)

    But the answer is no. The Quiz is not a trick, and it's not designed to produce false libertarian scores.

    It would be very easy to produce a Quiz in which lots of people who weren't libertarians or libertarian-leaning nevertheless scored libertarian. In fact, it's very easy to take the 10 questions on the Quiz, reword them, and create a Quiz on which virtually everyone will score libertarian -- or, alternately, a version in which no one will.

    It's much harder to come up with a short, fast Quiz that gives accurate scores, and new political insights, to the vast majority of takers. But that has been our goal from the beginning -- because there are very good reasons for NOT wanting a Quiz in which non-libertarian-leaning people score libertarian.

    Here's why:

    1) If the Quiz were obviously fake, routinely giving phony and inaccurate scores, people would simply ignore it. Our goal of changing the political map to include libertarians and others would never be accomplished. From the start, we've realized that the Quiz must be accurate if it (and most importantly, the idea of a multi-spectrum political map) is to be taken seriously by scholars, journalists, teachers, and others as a tool of political analysis. Liberals must score liberal, conservatives conservative, libertarians libertarian, etc.

    It's because it is so accurate that the Quiz model is today being taken seriously by more and more opinion leaders.

    2) People who are momentarily tricked into defining themselves as "libertarians" aren't going to be very happy when they find they've been deceived. People don't like to feel they've been tricked or used. A deceptive Quiz in which non-libertarians consistently scored "libertarian" would win libertarians more enemies, not friends. And it would put more ammunition into the hands of our enemies. It certainly wouldn't benefit the libertarian movement.

    3) A Quiz in which almost everyone scored libertarian would be enormously wasteful of the limited resources of libertarian activists and the various libertarian groups who use the Quiz as outreach, to identify libertarians and libertarian-leaning people. These groups want a tool that will "filter out" poor prospects (i.e., persons not open to libertarian ideas), and that will let them quickly identify those people most receptive to libertarian ideas. A Quiz in which conservatives, liberals, moderates, socialists and so on scored libertarian or libertarian-leaning would be worthless for outreach.

    4) A softcore Quiz in which virtually everyone scored libertarian would devalue or dumb-down the word "libertarian," making it almost meaningless. The Advocates has always emphasized the importance of presenting the full, uncompromising libertarian philosophy to the public, and it would be counter to this goal for us to publicize a Quiz that watered down the meaning of "libertarian."

    Incidentally, one proof that the Quiz isn't designed to make many or most people score libertarian is obvious: most people who take the Quiz DON'T score libertarian. The percentage of libertarian scores seems to match very nicely the 20%-30% estimates from various sources of how much of the American population is libertarian or libertarian-leaning. In September 2000, Rasmussen Research, one of the leading poll companies in America, administered the Quiz to a cross-sampling of Americans and found that 16% scored libertarian. Obviously, if the Quiz is designed to make most people score libertarian, we've done a pretty a pretty lousy job of it. (For more on this topic, see Section 13: HOW MANY AMERICANS ARE LIBERTARIANS?, below)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Bill View Post
    That little quiz is great for Libertarian's to recruit new members, but the questions are deeply skewed to put most everyone in the Libertarian quadrant.
    nah Bill, people are just scared to admit they are libertarian. they think there will be anarchy and women marrying dope smoking horses. not true. we just want less government and more freedom. libertarians believe in small government, not no government. personally, i don't do drugs or drink alcohol, but what you do in your house should be no ones concern but yours.
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    Traditionally, the libertarian/objectivist viewpoint (Ayn Rand) has been a strong and proud part of the fabric of the republican party. What's saddening and frightening to me is that in the past 10 years or so, the totalitarian folks (blue on the graphs above) have been trying to kick us out, calling some RINO's and the like.

    The problem is that the ideological blue folks (Glennac, Hitler, Margaret Thatcher, etc) are the most vocal part of our party, yet they are no better than the totalitarian democrats (Michael Moore, Stalin, etc) as they believe that they should dictate how people act, pray, etc.

    Luckily the tea party has arrived on the scene and they have some strong libertarian roots. It is my hope that we can reverse the push from the blues and make the republican party a proud purple party once again.

    We are not going to grow our party in power or influence if we are seen as disciplinarians sitting in people's bedrooms and doctor's offices with a ruler in our hands waiting to smack the general population for doing things we disagree with. If we return to our libertarian/objectivist roots we will actually have an appealing message that we can be proud of. One that will allow us to successfully fight the real enemies, the pink folks in the upper left of the graph.

    (Glennac- I mean no disrespect for singling you out for your blue color, I assume you are proud to be part of that group of our party).

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    Quote Originally Posted by can2man View Post
    A person's position to Abstract Art says a lot about how they percieve the world.
    In what way? Tell me how abstact art will reflect my views on any social or economic issues?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BACnet View Post


    Traditionally, the libertarian/objectivist viewpoint (Ayn Rand) has been a strong and proud part of the fabric of the republican party. What's saddening and frightening to me is that in the past 10 years or so, the totalitarian folks (blue on the graphs above) have been trying to kick us out, calling some RINO's and the like.

    The problem is that the ideological blue folks (Glennac, Hitler, Margaret Thatcher, etc) are the most vocal part of our party, yet they are no better than the totalitarian democrats (Michael Moore, Stalin, etc) as they believe that they should dictate how people act, pray, etc.

    Luckily the tea party has arrived on the scene and they have some strong libertarian roots. It is my hope that we can reverse the push from the blues and make the republican party a proud purple party once again.

    We are not going to grow our party in power or influence if we are seen as disciplinarians sitting in people's bedrooms and doctor's offices with a ruler in our hands waiting to smack the general population for doing things we disagree with. If we return to our libertarian/objectivist roots we will actually have an appealing message that we can be proud of. One that will allow us to successfully fight the real enemies, the pink folks in the upper left of the graph.

    (Glennac- I mean no disrespect for singling you out for your blue color, I assume you are proud to be part of that group of our party).
    Well I don't appreciate your disrespect non the less saying that I am no better than Stalin, Michael Moore and Hitler. My score did not go to high in the authoritarian column like Stalin a 9 or Hitler a 10. Stalin's was a -9 on the left and Hitler was 10 on authoritarian and about a 1.5 on economic.

    My score was 5.38 on economic about like Sarkozy the president of France but not as high on authoritarian 4 mine was a 3.33 about the same as Gordon Brown Prime Minister of Great Britain (until last year) on both authoritarian and economic and well under Thatcher whom I liked a lot. It would be fair to compare me to Brown and Sarkozy

    So why did you compare me to Stalin and Hitler who maxed out the authoritarian chart. Just another unprovoked attack you have launched on me. I thought that you were going to end the attacks after the last attack you made calling me all kind of foul names because I didn't suck up to your posts on the thread that got closed. I pointed out you breaking the rules on this forum and said I would not engage you in your mud slinging mud fight but would only argue the points instead of dropping down to low life mud slinging and name calling which any one can do.

    Now you have found another way to do it by saying I am like Stalin and Hitler when in fact I more like Brown and less authoritarian than Sarkosy. I say again please stop the unprovoked personal attacks. I have not made any attacks or name calling on you so why the personal vendeta for me because I am not a social liberal like you.

    In closing go attack Brown or Sarkosy who views are similar to mine if you wish or go attack Stalin or Hitler for all I care but stop slandering me and my views. Sure we are on different sides of the party but the difference is that I have no ill feeling for the libertarian side. Thank you, thank you very much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdrake65 View Post
    In what way? Tell me how abstact art will reflect my views on any social or economic issues?

    Do you like abstract Art?

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    Quote Originally Posted by can2man View Post
    Do you like abstract Art?
    Answer my questions first , then I will tell you.

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    Glann- I actually didn't see that coming. I did not in any way mean to get your panties in a bunch, I actually mentioned you as being blue simply because you are the only person who posted results in this forum that stated that you were blue. Adding that Margaret Thatcher and Hitler are also blue was not meant to mean that you were identical to them.

    So basically, grow up, grow some b@lls, and stand up for yourself. You are in the blue square. Either be proud of it or try to improve yourself. Don't go pretending that there was some personal attack on you specifically- you're just not that important.

    And stop the "I don't hate the libertarian side of our party" lies. I only have to go back several days to see quotes by you calling people RINO's.

    If I could edit my post to remove the thoughtful and respectful reference to you I would.

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