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  1. #14
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    Originally posted by quantum1
    His wife wasn't even wearing shoes.....
    This says enough right here. Any respectable contractor who knows what they are doing would not subject you to such unprofessional crews.

    I would stop installation on your job, and have the owner come to your house and demand all RUUD equipment like the contract says, and have him bring in a competent crew to perform the installation. If he won’t, I would ban them from your job, take pictures of all work, document everything, and bring in a company competent to give you a professional job. Then take the other company to court. A homeowner should not have to put up with such an unqualified installation crew or a business that performs at this level.

  2. #15
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    What city are you in? In Fort Worth the city inspectors are pretty sharp when it comes to checking for short cuts, and the chief inspector is very free with advice to contractors about the RIGHT way to install equipment - but he does ask if you are licensed by the state, registered with the city and have pulled a permit. Sub-contractors (which I suspect installed your system) work under the contractor's license for individual jobs, but the contractor (license holder) is responsible for the installation and the execution of the contract.
    It sounds like your HVAC contractor is using shabby subs - hold his feet to the fire (contract). BTW all corrispondence (bids, invoices, service reports etc.) must have the contractor's license number - TACL########.
    Hope this helps.
    Licensing laws are tough, and it's about time.

  3. #16
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    Sub-contractors that are not directly employed by the contractor must have thier own licence and insurance also, but the license holder of the company that contracted the job is responsible for the work that is done.
    If more government is the answer, then it's a really stupid question.

  4. #17
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    Actually in the State of Texas sub-contractors must be licensed not just the primary contractor.

    Yes AllStyle is cheap equipment but if they didn't specify all components with model numbers really not much you can do.

    Where are you in Texas?

    Yes it can easily take twenty-four hours or more to do a quality install. It can take a poor quality crew less time or more time than a quality crew just depends. I know crews that take less than an hour to install a condenser I won't take less than three hours to install a condenser.

  5. #18
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    quantum I think I know the installer you are talking about. You must be from the Hamilton area.

    Subs do not have to be licensed or employed by the license holder.
    "And remember my sentimental friend......that a heart is not judged by how much you love, but by how much you are loved by others" - Wizard of Oz.

  6. #19
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    d) A licensee may subcontract portions of work requiring a license under the Act to unlicensed persons, firms, or corporations as long as:

    (1) the licensee actively provides work or service which requires a license, either in person or with the licensee’s bona fide employees;

    (2) the work or service provided in person or with the licensee’s bona fide employees consists of more than accepting a contract or request for service, scheduling the work, and providing supervision of the work; and

    (3) the licensee is ultimately responsible to the customer for all work performed by the subcontractor.
    "And remember my sentimental friend......that a heart is not judged by how much you love, but by how much you are loved by others" - Wizard of Oz.

  7. #20
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    Does that mean you have to wear shoes?

  8. #21
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    If the subcontractor is not licensed, then the licensee or an employee of the licensee has to be on the job.
    If more government is the answer, then it's a really stupid question.

  9. #22
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    Originally posted by mark beiser
    If the subcontractor is not licensed, then the licensee or an employee of the licensee has to be on the job.
    Exactly

  10. #23
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    I'm from the Houston area.

    Owner of the company ( license holder ) is standing by his guys work.

    Told me that he wanted an expert in the field, a Ruud specialist to come and look at the system. I asked him why would a Ruud specialist want to look at an Allstyle air handler/evaporator?

  11. #24
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    Originally posted by quantum1
    I'm from the Houston area.
    What part of town are you in? Why don't you call up another service company to just come out and take a look at the job to maybe give you a second opinion on whats he see's, and were you need to go from there on getting it right, because if you don't know you are just digging yourself in deeper, maybe you can find a company that is not critical "no one needs that" just explains how it should be and then you can approach your contractor with a better knowledge of whats your looking for. I am in the NW area but right now we are booked up or I would be happy to come by and take a look but there are a few others here also from Houston that may be able to help you out.
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  12. #25
    cabellas opened in fort worth. wow we have tx rangers, tx motor speedway,cabellas just opened,bass pro shop and the dallas cowboys are moving over here. to much work makes us weary.

  13. #26
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    subcontractors...

    ...do not have to be licensed but do have to have a sign visable from the street with the company name and license # of the contractor responsible for the job. The licensed contractor that sold the job is ultimately responsible to the customer

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