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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    Personally, I think our society in the USA is a little too free... What I mean is; there are not guidelines or foundational views to bond the nation together. There is really nothing "American" about living here, other than demanding my rights and living off the govt.

    What we need IMO are some basics one has to agree to, to live and work here... Kinda like Rome: Roman citizens had to renounce their former lives and swear alliance to Rome... or they were 'little people'. Where I am going with this is folks that live in America are not 'for' America, they are only here to get what they can. What we need is for folks to become part of America, or not be here. Remember the old 'united we stand...' stuff... well maybe that is not so old fashioned... just maybe there is some truth there we need to re-learn.

    Thoughts?
    Would you require citizens to take a pledge renouncing certain religions and certain political philosophies? I'm not sure that looks good even on paper.

    Remember that this great country of ours had a complex beginning, and clearly it is no less complex now.

    Consider the fact that some people (Quakers) came here to avoid being harassed by a-holes and some people (Puritans) came here because they wanted to be even bigger a-holes than they were allowed to be in England.

    Putting anti-a-holes together with mega-a-holes and calling the combination a new nation was a pretty amazing thing. But it doesn't lend itself to a common "American" philosophy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BACnet View Post
    Would you require citizens to take a pledge renouncing certain religions and certain political philosophies? I'm not sure that looks good even on paper.
    Absolutely NOT! Freedom of religion (and separation between church and govt) are parts of the Constitution, for good reason IMO... However:

    I would require folks to swear allegiance to the USA, and renounce all allegiance to other countries. The idea behind this is: If someone comes to this country, they are here to become an American. They are not here to take what they can get and follow another path when it is convenient. The old 'flag waving patriotism is not really such a bad thing once we get beyond the 'old fashioned' part...

    Now here is a thought: How far would an HVAC co go if the employees were loyal to other co's... So why would a nation last for long with folks loyal to other causes than the nation?

    I would also re-instate the draft under these conditions: Everyone (boys and girls) goes for one year when they get out of high school. They do boot camp (separated by gender), then do community service for the remainder of the year while living in barracks in a DIFFERENT state from their families. After the year, if they choose they can stay in the military and go to advanced boot camp and learn to be a soldier. The goal of this arrangement is to 'grow up the kids'. And since nobody is being taught to fight and kill... nobody gets a religious deferment.

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    "Thoughts"

    Yep....multi-culturalism does not work and is destroying all of Europe. It wont be long until it destroys us too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolwhip View Post
    "Thoughts"

    Yep....multi-culturalism does not work and is destroying all of Europe. It wont be long until it destroys us too.
    Interesting you use that word...

    I read recently (I think in 'The Economist') the governments of England and Germany (and a few other, do not remember) have publicly stated what you say... and are moving in a direction to embrace their traditional cultures.

    I hope the USA will learn from our trading partners across the pond...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    Interesting you use that word...

    I read recently (I think in 'The Economist') the governments of England and Germany (and a few other, do not remember) have publicly stated what you say... and are moving in a direction to embrace their traditional cultures.

    I hope the USA will learn from our trading partners across the pond...
    But which culture? We have been a schizophrenic nation from the get go. Should we be made to embrace our Quaker heritage and be good hardworking people who live and let live? Or should we embrace our Puritan heritage and become the supreme a-holes of the world dictating how people should do every little thing?

    Just viewing these ARP threads it's pretty easy to see that some folks in the US still cling to one founding principal and others cling to the other one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BACnet View Post
    But which culture? We have been a schizophrenic nation from the get go. Should we be made to embrace our Quaker heritage and be good hardworking people who live and let live? Or should we embrace our Puritan heritage and become the supreme a-holes of the world dictating how people should do every little thing?

    Just viewing these ARP threads it's pretty easy to see that some folks in the US still cling to one founding principal and others cling to the other one.
    The American culture, of course...

    So what is the American culture... IMO the fact one would have to ask this question IS the problem...

    Again; Thoughts?
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    The American culture should be about Northern and Central Europeans. We found it, we took it, so it is ours.
    The rest of the planet is nothing but trouble and a 3rd world nightmare.

    Homogeneous countries do not have the problems we have and are more unified than one that caters to a melting pot society.

    The hippie dippie dream of everyone living together and that everything is everything is a bunch of liberal nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolwhip View Post
    The American culture should be about Northern and Central Europeans. We found it, we took it, so it is ours.
    The rest of the planet is nothing but trouble and a 3rd world nightmare.

    Homogeneous countries do not have the problems we have and are more unified than one that caters to a melting pot society.

    The hippie dippie dream of everyone living together and that everything is everything is a bunch of liberal nonsense.
    Hey Cool,

    I would agree to a point, with a caveat:

    The ideal of America requires one to support America FIRST... and leave all other allegiances behind... as is needed in any country.

    Part of that ideal IMO is to have a sense of nationalistic pride, as well as a sense of community. The former is putting one's allegience in the USA first... the latter is being part of the community one lives in... rather than only taking what one can get.

    Note I am not saying anything religious or Christian (I do support my community both in the secular and the Christian circles)... I have observed that those who support the community seem to be part of it... and would not even think of doing something harmful to that community. Something about knowing one's neighbors...

    I think folks of different genetic races and different cultures can get along if they put their strength in the community rather than their culture. I really do not care if the guy next door is a Catholic or a Baptist (or does not attend a church); is white or African or Oriental... What I do care about is whether he supports the community we live in, and the country we live in.
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    In theory that is a nice idea ga., but in practice it doesn't work. That is why our education system is moving away from teaching national pride and more toward a world pride and an androgynous (extreme) culture or rather a cultural that is so convoluted that historical/national pride no longer exist.

    In addition, there are issues that create animosity. For example: middle class families that are smart only have a few children, where poor families that are intellectual deserts have 10 kids.
    In this case, not only are we being out bred, but we (smart people) are paying for our own attrition.

    How do we put an end to this?

    This is what is happening in Europe. Their borders are being flooded by 3rd world immigrants that the indigenous peoples have to subsidize through ever increasing taxes. These immigrants outbreed the historical inhabitants of the land, and eventually obtain power positions in government creating a problem that is exponential with each generation. Eventually, that country and its original people are no more.

    I for one do not want this to happen here....but it is, and no one is stopping it. Our own government wont even back its own states and their laws.

    Truly Dread!
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolwhip View Post
    In theory that is a nice idea ga., but in practice it doesn't work. That is why our education system is moving away from teaching national pride and more toward a world pride and an androgynous (extreme) culture or rather a cultural that is so convoluted that historical/national pride no longer exist.

    In addition, there are issues that create animosity. For example: middle class families that are smart only have a few children, where poor families that are intellectual deserts have 10 kids.
    In this case, not only are we being out bred, but we (smart people) are paying for our own attrition.

    How do we put an end to this?

    This is what is happening in Europe. Their borders are being flooded by 3rd world immigrants that the indigenous peoples have to subsidize through ever increasing taxes. These immigrants outbreed the historical inhabitants of the land, and eventually obtain power positions in government creating a problem that is exponential with each generation. Eventually, that country and its original people are no more.
    Not arguing with you Cool, but I think I read more about what one sees than what would work.

    Funny how when folks are doing well they get an attitude... when they are broke they come back to common sense. IMO we have a LONG way to go before the good times come back... probably 4-5-6 years. I hope by then some of these families with little between their ears will settle down and get their act together. History seems to suggest this happens on a small scale...

    I do strongly believe old fashioned flag waving patriotism would be good for this country. One never knows what the public will embrace... I suspect the liberals were as surprised as anyone at the results of the 2010 election.

    One needs to never loose hope... while keeping their powder dry... (and yes, that was a financial comment as well as political).
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolwhip View Post

    In addition, there are issues that create animosity. For example: middle class families that are smart only have a few children, where poor families that are intellectual deserts have 10 kids.
    In this case, not only are we being out bred, but we (smart people) are paying for our own attrition.

    How do we put an end to this?
    Allow the idiot-breeders to choose not to vaccinate.

    That one simple move will take the handcuffs off of evolution/natural selection and nature itself will kill off the idiots as God intended.

    The simplicity of this scheme is what makes it so wonderful!

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    Culture is a big factor, but it isn't culture from the outside as much as Entitlements from within that is corrupting Europe and the USA and overburdening taxpayers. Something for nothing using other people's money is a sure path to ruin. This includes the Sacred Cows of Compulsory education, Social Security and Medicare.

    We can also add government run businesses such as the USPS, Amtrak, and now General Motors to the burden for taxpayers.
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    Lynn, I believe you have a point.

    The government seems to have no problem with the billions they spend on entitlement programs. Its like they want what i described earlier to happen. Is this part of The New World Order that our presidents talk about?

    Is this a conspiracy created by the illuminazis to be carried out by our puppet presidents and corrupt institutions?

    Death by attrition to the America we once knew and the rebirth of a socialist dictatorship America with no middle class and a people with no historical pride.

    Our ancestral roots, ancestry and history are what define us as individuals.

    But then again, the government doesnt like us to think as individuals do they?
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