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02-28-2011, 07:41 PM #53Professional Member
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The unions have been taken over by the socialist New World Order, they even are demonstrating with big "American Socialist" banners. Union's used to be good, higher wages, better working conditions etc. But now they take money from members and use it to enslave all of us. They supported Clinton when he shoved NAFTA down our throats. Why would any union do that? The Laborer magazine has every other page printed in Spanish. Why would any union do that? I'm not for right to work but I can't support these unions in their current form either.
02-28-2011, 07:47 PM #54
Our UA magazine is all english.work to live not live to work.
02-28-2011, 08:39 PM #55Regular Guest
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- Huntley, IL
What would you do without the following: police departments, fire departments, postal service, municipal governments that have public works departments, teachers, army, navy, coast guard, marines.. all things I support. All social infrastructure which some call socialism.
Many lose sight of the fact if we don't have security- police/military, we lose the social stability required for society to work; societies are required to deal with the large populations of people we have living so close to each other. The professions above are all professions we need for our USA society to advance and compete. Most need Unions in order to negotiate against the governments employers. On one hand, the conservative blast government, but they don't really have to deal and negotiate with them- us government employees do have to deal and negotiate against them. We may hate the administrators running governments more than you- but we understand they have to exist- which is why the government employees need to be unionized.
When you argue to break the unions, you are arguing against the common worker while arguing to give the high dollar administrators more power... which means the blue collar guy gets less, the white collar guy again gets more. There is very little difference between the private and public sector in this sense.
The rich get richer by convincing the poorer to fight amongst themselves. Don't take your eye off the ball.
There is a plate with 10 cookies on it; The corporate/rich interests take 9 cookies and then tell the Tea Party type conservatives "Look, the unions are going to take part of your cookie." That is what is being done to us. Truth be told, the Tea Partiers and other unionized blue collar types have very similar interests and we are being duped.
Raise taxes on the rich and there is plenty of money to solve every state's budgetary mess. Go back to the tax rates that Reagan had raised tax rates to and we will be out of this hole very quickly.
02-28-2011, 08:39 PM #56
Iíve followed this thread for a week now. For the record I am a union man Local 30 IUOE NY but at the same time Iím a business man and as such compromise is needed in this economy.
Fact: The Governor of Wisconsin is trying to break a legal document (I didnít say union I said Contract) signed by both parties. The right to binding arbitration was agreed upon in the previous contract period. As such it is a legal document.
I personally do not agree that State Workers (I reside in New York) can retire with 100 + % of there base pay, but at the same time these are the contracts that were signed. An agreement signed by both parties. If you have a problem with that talk to the past administration. The bottom line is itís a contract.
Yes it has gotten out of hand and as such its time to renegotiate, but at the same time you canít make threats and shut down government operation. (not a bad thing)
Think about this: If this Governor gets away with this then we will all in short time Union and Nonunion alike be working for slave wages? No more Sick days, Bereavement days, Holidays, Vacation days, Medical benefits, Workmanís Comp benefits, Pensions, Annuity, etc, etc. Where will it end? I donít have the answer. I do know this country is in for a big change, for better or worse. Personally I feel it for the worse.
02-28-2011, 08:50 PM #57
Typical public sector employee here gets 35k ish for retirement.
the problem is the greed at the top, not the folks in the trenches.
alot of good replies here.
keep it civil, gents.\m/
02-28-2011, 08:52 PM #58
I would like to know how many people here are actually from Wisconsin like OP wanted in this thread.Steamfitters Local 601
02-28-2011, 09:04 PM #59
02-28-2011, 09:28 PM #60
In all fairness.....it is happening. As much as I hate to post it:
This is why I can't stand it when people roll the public and private sector together along with labor and trade unions. I hate being associated with some of these other unions.___________________________
Chicago is an indian word for stinky!!!!!!
02-28-2011, 09:41 PM #61
02-28-2011, 09:41 PM #62
I agree with all the cuts and I can understand his reasoning for getting rid of collective bargaining, but IMO getting rid of CB is not a good idea. I'm no psychic but I fear this will have a negative effect on the country. I just hope companies don't see this as an open door to operate as the United States of China.
I just want what's best for US. It really sucks having to put faith in a (R) or (D). I hate to have to trust anybody in our government.___________________________
Chicago is an indian word for stinky!!!!!!
02-28-2011, 09:42 PM #63
02-28-2011, 09:44 PM #64
Why would I go to bed. I'm LAIDOFF..
lolSteamfitters Local 601
02-28-2011, 09:48 PM #65