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    Are most of these units past the 50% rule?

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    Quote Originally Posted by netsalt View Post
    NABET
    As in;
    NABET-CWA - National Association of Broadcast Employees and Technicians-Communications Workers of America, is a Union devoted to aiding workers like you who are employed in the broadcasting, distributing, telecasting, recording, cable, video, sound recording and related industries in North America.
    http://www.nabetcwa.org/

    You're kidding, right?
    Government is a disease...
    ...masquerading as its own cure…
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    Wonder how much that industry is subtidized by the gubba ?

    If it is its hair cut time,chop chop.

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    As I said in another thread I'm not currently affiliated. But I was giving an example of a good union. The wage gave me the ability to raise my family middle class. Although I left that business long ago, union workers were just like me - hard working just trying to live life - just the business side sucked. Hence the need for collective bargaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by netsalt View Post
    As I said in another thread I'm not currently affiliated. But I was giving an example of a good union. The wage gave me the ability to raise my family middle class. Although I left that business long ago, union workers were just like me - hard working just trying to live life - just the business side sucked. Hence the need for collective bargaining.
    I don't think any of us who are against labor unions because of their destructive attitude for the U.S. overall have anything against other American workers working union in order to get the most they can for the jobs that they do. I have been anti-union since I was a teenager and yet I have used union jobs to my financial benefit as well. Just because some can benefit from the gross costs that labor unions occur on the U.S. labor market does not mean that labor unions are a good thing.
    Government is a disease...
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    The destructive power of unions has been seen around the world so the anti-union forces are in good company. One of the first things Castro in Cuba did was outlaw labor unions as did Kaddaffe in Libya. One of the first indications that the former Soviet Union was ready to fall was organized labor rising up against the the totalitarian government. So if a dictatorship is what the people want Walker seems to be the man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by netsalt View Post
    The destructive power of unions has been seen around the world so the anti-union forces are in good company. One of the first things Castro in Cuba did was outlaw labor unions as did Kaddaffe in Libya. One of the first indications that the former Soviet Union was ready to fall was organized labor rising up against the the totalitarian government. So if a dictatorship is what the people want Walker seems to be the man.
    Factory workers in China show more backbone

    Workers' organizing skills are increasingly sophisticated and their demands have risen, Crothall says.

    Besides wage increases, "in every strike we see demands for better work conditions, from the state of food in the canteen to the lack of ventilation in workshops, possibly dangerous machines and the lack of protective clothing," he says. Workers have become more "willing to stand up for their rights and a decent standard of living."
    http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2...na-labor_N.htm

    What you have to do is get the Chinese to unionize. It is their cheap labor and no safety/environmental regulations on business that gives them the competitive advantage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by netsalt View Post
    The destructive power of unions has been seen around the world so the anti-union forces are in good company. One of the first things Castro in Cuba did was outlaw labor unions as did Kaddaffe in Libya. One of the first indications that the former Soviet Union was ready to fall was organized labor rising up against the the totalitarian government. So if a dictatorship is what the people want Walker seems to be the man.
    You seem like a smart person until the last sentence. The bottom line is, take away the incentive and you take away desire to work hard.

    If everyone gets paid the same; i.e. the unions, you're going to have people that will be slackers.

    You've seen it (if you're honest) and we have all seen it.

    There are people that will work hard with out compensation, but they are few.

    Most people will do the bare minimun to get by. The union supports those people. You talk about those communist countries. How produtive are they?
    You could substitute the word union for communism.

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    If we are to take the point of view that if there are abuses in a system then the entire system needs to be thrown out mankind would not have been able to get very far (just look at banking through the ages). The point I am trying to make is that most people are not stupid, if the jig is up and the state needs to cut benefits to make ends meet the governor should negotiate in good faith rather than take a dictatorial position and dissolve the right of the people to bargain collectively. This seems to be ideology driven rather than about closing a budget gap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by George2 View Post
    If everyone gets paid the same; i.e. the unions, you're going to have people that will be slackers.

    ...Most people will do the bare minimun to get by. The union supports those people. You talk about those communist countries. How produtive are they?
    You could substitute the word union for communism.
    Amen to the bold part. Unionism is Socialism pure and simple. Same failures, same Autocrats at the top in control of the sheeple!

    You got it George2, great point!

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    Quote Originally Posted by netsalt View Post
    If we are to take the point of view that if there are abuses in a system then the entire system needs to be thrown out mankind would not have been able to get very far (just look at banking through the ages). The point I am trying to make is that most people are not stupid, if the jig is up and the state needs to cut benefits to make ends meet the governor should negotiate in good faith rather than take a dictatorial position and dissolve the right of the people to bargain collectively. This seems to be ideology driven rather than about closing a budget gap.
    First, throwing the entire system out is a Obama policy not a Walker policy. Its what he's done with Healthcare, remember aka The Affordable Healthcare Act (Yeah, right!!!).

    It's not a dictatorial position, why is it dictatorial when its a "righty" but that is never said about a "lefty", come on at least be consistent.

    The State (WI) has negotiated in good faith, has made concessions and has a bill on the floor, it's the lefty wacko dems that aren't dealing in good faith as they have fled the state, Come on Man, put down the KOOLAID.

    Where did this "right of the people to bargain collectively" come from, huh? There is not right to bargain collectively for "the people". Noone has a "right" to get anything other that the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, period.

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    First, throwing the entire system out is a Obama policy not a Walker policy. Its what he's done with Healthcare, remember aka The Affordable Healthcare Act (Yeah, right!!!).

    What does healthcare reform have to do with taking away workers contractual rights?

    It's not a dictatorial position, why is it dictatorial when its a "righty" but that is never said about a "lefty", come on at least be consistent.

    Ruling by decree - not open to compromise - if the shoe fits.

    The State (WI) has negotiated in good faith, has made concessions and has a bill on the floor, it's the lefty wacko dems that aren't dealing in good faith as they have fled the state, Come on Man, put down the KOOLAID.

    The union gave concessions previously and apparently are open to further talks
    One of the missing Democratic state senators, Jon Erpenbach, said all state and local public employees -- including teachers -- have agreed to the financial aspects of Walker's requested concessions on paying more for employee health care and pensions.
    "In return they ask only that the provisions that deny their right to collectively bargain are removed," Erpenbach said. "This will solve the budget challenge."


    Where did this "right of the people to bargain collectively" come from, huh? There is not right to bargain collectively for "the people". Noone has a "right" to get anything other that the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, period.

    So this is all about balancing the budget and not idealogy - please put the Tea down and back away.

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    I'll admit that this is about ideology.

    This is a great opportunity to fix the underlying problems with America. Public sector unions are a part of the problem & these measures will fix that part the problem.

    Now let's all push for the next step- Let's hope that Wisconsin becomes a Right To Work state.

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