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    Quote Originally Posted by acmanko View Post
    And then what? How do you replace all of the Police?
    I'm not saying it wouldn't be messy. But it would be required.

    I suppose a state of emergency would have to be declared. Then military and militia would have to hold the state together until such time as quality people could replace the scumbags who wouldn't do their jobs.

    Of course these events are not happening. But if the cops chose not to do their jobs as you suggested, they would immediately stop being cops and their terminations should not come as a surprise.

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    It won't be long before all this talk about unions is meaningless. As machines get more sophisticated, in a few years there will be no more manufacturing or farm jobs, and very few service jobs in the entire world. It will all be done by machines. This sounds like science fiction, but it will happen in the next 30-40 years.

    It's hard to believe it because we perceive change as a linear event. But technology changes at an exponential rate.
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    Change your vacuum pump oil now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BACnet View Post
    I'm not saying it wouldn't be messy. But it would be required.

    I suppose a state of emergency would have to be declared. Then military and militia would have to hold the state together until such time as quality people could replace the scumbags who wouldn't do their jobs.

    Of course these events are not happening. But if the cops chose not to do their jobs as you suggested, they would immediately stop being cops and their terminations should not come as a surprise.
    That's basically the way I see it also. But there is still a problem. There are thousands of instances where Law Enforcement personnel retire from one Department only to apply for and recieve a position in another. Sometimes they even get enough toime in to retire again. Why is this double dipping being supported by law makers trying to balance budgets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by acmanko View Post
    I'm quite sure if they (Wisconsin Legislatures) did not exempt Police and Fire Fighters unions, they would not have been protected by them. Does this mean The GOP is prejudiced against certain unions while giving full support to others.

    To me , it looks like their new law will be struck down if for nothing else because of discrimination.
    What it should show every American with an IQ over 20 is that there is still an immense fear of union violence and retaliation imbedded in our government in those who we hire to serve and protect us.

    If Walker goes up against the firefighters and police, the unions will create complete chaos in Wisconsin by using those very public servants against the people. This should scare American citizens enough to get unions out of government all together. And if you think this can't happen;
    Joe Conway, president of the Madison firefighters’ union, said recently that the political situation has grown so dire in Wisconsin, he’d support a general strike.
    “We should start walking out tomorrow, the next day … See how long they can last,” he told reporters with The Uptake. “This is a nation-wide movement to attack all working men and women in Wisconsin and the United States.”
    His call mirrors one from filmmaker Michael Moore, who’s called on high school students and working people of all stripes to restart the American democracy movement and fight back in this latest round of “class war” against the middle class.
    http://www.rawstory.com/rawreplay/20...eneral-strike/

    Now, whether the U.S. leaders cower to the unions holding American's hostage by not allowing police and firefighters to protect us (and it is gauranteed there will be more fires then usual) or whether they take the stand of President Reagan and replace union firefighters and police with non-union personnel will be the question.

    Any way you look at this situation, American's will once again be forced to cowtow to union thuggery and organized labor corruption or there is going to be violence and destruction commited on the part of labor union members nationwide.
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    Yall are goin to see the sheit hit the fan with in the next 20 years. By this I mean a total collapse of governments world wide...including ours.

    Buy seeds and bullets...your going to need them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by coolwhip View Post
    Yall are goin to see the sheit hit the fan with in the next 20 years. By this I mean a total collapse of governments world wide...including ours.

    Buy seeds and bullets...your going to need them.
    Yeah well more and more **** has been floating to the top every day for the last 50 years. The unqualified vote for commie types who promise them the equivalent of 40 acres and a mule for doing nothing just vote for them.

    First they did away with literacy tests, then wide open immigration from the previously restricted 3rd world with their Muslim religion and or welfare culture coming here to take our money and vote Marxists and try to destroy our culture, civilization and language. I guess that just about sums it up for me. Thank you, thank you very much.
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    Another leftist Socialist is showing his support for the leftist labor unions; Jesse Jackson;
    Rev. Jesse Jackson has entered the fray, swearing he'll escalate the protests.
    Jesse Jackson told Fox News, "You will either have collective bargaining through a vehicle called collective bargaining or you're going to have it through the streets."
    And Hollywood leftist Michael Moore has even called for Scott Walker to have his "a*s" thrown in "jail."
    This is of course, not at all surprising. Since Blacks are still a minority in the U.S. but a majority in labor unions, it stands to reason that Jesse Jackson will be trying to make some sort of racial issue out of this.

    What is really pathetic is that labor unions used to use their powers in government to keep Black Americans from being able to work on government jobs. Now, it is just the opposite. Labor unions cater to Black Americans in order to keep the number of unionized workers high enough to keep the elitist union bosses wealthy and powerful. More proof that the unions don't give a rat's behind about the workers as long as there are workers who support them.

    There is no doubt that this can be a major turning point in American history. Either by ridding government of the burden of the cost of having to deal with unions or because the country does not have a shot at economic recovery unless it does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    We the workers will always be the raw material, as you put it, for the few to get rich. The concept of the wealth of the country being for the good of all it's citizens is a utopian idea that is commonly used by Socialist, Communist and fascist despots. Only God truly considers man to be equal.

    So yes, there needs to be a balance. That balance is what the U.S. was originally built on and designed to be, and it worked pretty well until government began interferring with the outcome of commerce.

    Unions were never an avenue to create a balanced society. Unions have always been just another despot using workers in a different way so that union bosses could gain political power and immense wealth, just like the big company owners they claim to be fighting. Had government done it's job without the interference of big business, workers would have been protected and organized crime would not have been needed to impose it's force as unions.

    A very famous man once stated that there will be poor always and in order to get along with leadership, give to leadership what belongs to leadership. I would propose that these ad-libbed words refer to the fact that there can never be a utopian equality in the realm of mankind.
    I guess I would see things differently if I came across unions that were run by organized crime. Around here it is just us ordinary smucks that run our unions. Shame about your situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BACnet View Post
    If you're right, that's a sad state of affairs. If police had chosen not to do their jobs, (or worse yet, their union bosses had told them to not do their jobs) then they should all be immediately fired and banned from working in the public sector in the state.
    And why would they not do their jobs? They are the chosen few that will get their take of the public purse. The politicians will keep them on the payroll to act as enforcers to break the other unions and to control the public. Same as in Russia, the politicians call the shots and the police carry out their orders.

    In eight more years it will be the 100 year anniversary of the Winnipeg General Strike. History is a good teacher.

    http://www.thecanadianencyclopedia.c...=A1ARTA0008649

    Also of note,

    the police were asked to sign a contract to prevent them from joining unions, they refused, but declared that they would continue to maintain law and order. A few days later, the entire police force was fired.
    http://www.histori.ca/peace/page.do?pageID=347

    The RCMP took over the policing of the city and they beat, shot at and killed protesters. In the end the city was put under military occupation. No one wants to see that happen again.


    Funny, I posted this a few days ago.

    In Mayor Sam Katz's world, there are good unions and bad unions.

    The Winnipeg Police Association and the United Firefighters of Winnipeg are good unions. They provide essential services. They also, not surprisingly, both worked to re-elect Katz.

    The Canadian Union of Public Employees, however, is a bad union. It is linked to the NDP. It supported the woman who ran against Katz.

    How can you tell the difference? Good unions get wage and benefit increases, and enjoy the lion's share of spending increases in the operating budget. Bad unions get to make sacrifices. In this year's city operating budget, tabled Monday at city hall, we saw spending on police, fire and paramedic services go up precipitously; police spending alone was up 6.4 per cent. The city has not discussed its offers to police and firefighters, but the budget assumed at least a two-per-cent wage increase for both. At the same time, the budget assumes the 5,000 members of CUPE 500 accept a wage freeze for two years.
    http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/loc...wAllComments=y

    Seems the mayor knows that it is better to pay off the people he may need to enforce law and order with.

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