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  1. #131
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    wow ..... my guys get paid to go to school by unemployment insurance.... and I pay the the school fees of $250.00 somethings good about Canada ...lol
    it was working.... played with it.... now its broke.... whats the going hourly rate for HVAC repair

  2. #132
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    There's a great article on the union application process (Entrance exams, interview questions, popular myths) if you're interested. Good luck!

    http://www.unitedtrades.org/preparin...plication.html

  3. #133
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    I went to a trade school 20+ years ago. They had an arrangement with my high school where I took school classes half a day and trade school half a day. Two years cost me $350 including a basic tool set (with gauges!) and "lab fees". My instructor was a retired company owner and a helluva nice guy. He was like a living version of Ned Flanders, down to the moustache. He would get old used equipment from dealers and we'd cobble it together. It was an awesome experience. Unfortunately, nowadays it's all about packing them in and turning them out. The kids we get out of school now know next to nothing and expect to make $50/hr while only working 40 hours a week. They are woefully unprepared for the tough living this business is, and most I see are quitting it after a year or two. I am very concerned that after my generation retires and moves on this business will degenerate into a bunch of super aggressive parts changing sales techs who can't fix squat.
    Good? Bad? I'm the guy with the gun.

  4. #134
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    Sounds like you have had a tough time.

    I had thirty years in the oil heating industry when the crap hit the fan in 2009. Went back to school and graduated with an associates degree in hvac last May. One semester before graduating I applied for a state job in refrigeration. Got the job because of my schooling and even got help paying for the last semester through our union.

    Don't think I'll ever see the money I was making in the oil industry. I'm back at the bottom and working my way up again. But I have a stable job, good benefits and chance for advancement through competitive tests. So school really did pay off for me.

    As far as financing school, I did put it on my charge card. Have been paying the minimum for the last year without seeing too much downward movement in the balance. Luckily I was offered a loan through another credit company. I'll end up paying the same amount as I was paying and it will be gone in five years.

    Good luck Wolfstrike. I'm pretty sure that you will eventually see your schooling as a plus. Better to make the older mechanics nervous with your high score than be comfortable being as dumb as a rock with them.
    If the women don't find you handsome, they should at least find you handy.

  5. #135
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    Did not want to read all of the reply , Did not read one of them.

    YOUR RIGHT


    [SIZE=1]This is a horrible field to get started in horrible. You have to eat **** for a long time , weather driven is just that weather driven. You have to have staying power. You have to love the work. That is you would do it for free if you had to. You have to show a lot of fortitude to get someones attrition that can help.

    Thats how the industry weeds out the lame ass guys that want to spend time posting this stuff on how bad it is and all the I can't do's and on and on.

    12 years ago I started repaying my student loan 17 K . I paid it off 3 years ago, and I went from a 400 credit score to a 800 score now . I own my own business have now 10 people working for me, a crane service, and parts service and we will do 1.5 million next year. 12 years ago I did not know what a compressor was. If you told me to point to it on a unit I could not.

    I am not on a soap box or bragging, This whole thing could come down around me at anytime. I consider myself a dumb ass. Never scored high on any test and was always last to be promoted or picked ( dumb ass) I just wanted to point out you can do this if you want , and you can make it if you stop looking at it from what you don't have and start with the I can do this self talk.

    Now if you really don't like the work , then forget it move on , but if you do like this then step up your game. I will help you just e mail me and if I can do something for you. I been blessed why not share it.

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    Did not want to read all of the reply , Did not reed one of them.

    YOUR RIGHT


    [SIZE=1]This is a horrible field to get started in horrible. You have to eat **** for a long time , weather driven is just that weather driven. You have to have staying power. You have to love the work. That is you would do it for free if you had to. You have to show a lot of fortitude to get someones attrition that can help.

    Thats how the industry weeds out the lame ass guys that want to spend time posting this stuff on how bad it is and all the I can't do's and on and on.

    12 years ago I started repaying my student loan 17 K . I paid it off 3 years ago, and I went from a 400 credit score to a 800 score now . I own my own business have now 10 people working for me, a crane service, and parts service and we will do 1.5 million next year. 12 years ago I did not know what a compressor was. If you told me to point to it on a unit I could not.

    I am not on a soap box or bragging, This whole thing could come down around me at anytime. I consider myself a dumb ass. Never scored high on any test and was always last to be promoted or picked ( dumb ass) I just wanted to point out you can do this if you want , and you can make it if you stop looking at it from what you don't have and start with the I can do this self talk.

    Now if you really don't like the work , then forget it move on , but if you do like this then step up your game. I will help you just e mail me and if I can do something for you. I been blessed why not share it.

  6. #136
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    Working under a mechanic who is patient and willing to teach will trump any school in existence on planet earth. Most techs thought i would pick up things faster than other entry level techs, and they were frustrated with me when other techs were passing my "level" (which wasnt true when i actually observed their skills) - but, it is interesting to note that their skills did increase only because they became "buddy-buddy" with the right techs who were patient and willing to teach. I have heard of one guy picked off from the street who made top mechanic because he became so friendly with one mechanic - that he constantly had a 1 on 1 private training session every single day, he shot up the ranks like a bullet (and of course asked for more money, which the company did not accept, and he ran off to another company - which is a major reason right there why most techs wont teach - that and job security, or just because: "its not their job to teach").

    Half the time its not even the techs fault, but the companies - they dont create that culture to teach the young guys.

    I have an associates in hvac with a 3.5 gpa, and i was 20 credits from a bachelors in facility management/engineering. 3 certifications (A/c, heating and facilities) - but they were all before i was in the field. The downtime of graduating and looking for work was a year and a half, and even then... i had to relearn everything once i was staring at all these systems and units (especially since most of the meat and potatoes happens in the first and second semester, the later years covers things that you either will never use, or wont be advanced enough or trained enough to breath on- so that right there is 3 years off).

    As of right now, 2 years in the field, i shelled out 2 thousand to take new AC mechanic classes just because i feel i wasnt learning from these techs (and one tech is a close friend, but the job over-rules teaching me, i am of course not a priority, top techs get sent on service - i get thrown into PMs).

    You really need to push yourself because sometimes you will not have a red carpet under you. And it stings even more when other guys advance only because they know someone in the company, or just got placed with a veteran tech- and you are still pulling strainers and filters. Sometimes you have to even forget the carpet and realize there are doors closed, even though managers like to pretend that some doors are unlocked enough so that they can squeeze out more cheap labor from you so they can meet their PM quota for the month.

    I just keep my mind focus on those doors and let it push me to learn more. With each set-back i get angry and i put my head into the books, and when i do my pms i pull apart pulleys and take voltage readings, pull out contactors and re-install them, rewire pumps, etc. But then it hits me... when i become good... would i want to teach someone else? Especially when i have to take into consideration that i worked for cheap and had to spend my free-time and money to force my way through those doors? If i did it... the helper under me can.. and the cycle begins because i worked to KNOW and i didnt get paid for it when i did all the "outside studying"- so .."i dont get paid to teach" either... unless... i become buddy-buddy with a helper... he better like star trek.

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