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  1. #14
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    I can see why no one would order a low ambient kit in Dallas, Texas. So I would just keep the other two online and live with it. Or, I guess you could remove the fuses for the fans that start first, but that would be kind of reckless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cperk View Post
    If the customer want's them to run, have them pay Trane to install low ambient kits on them. They come out and install the VFDs on one fan per circuit, all of the wiring, and the modules for the VFDs. Then you can run down to 0 deg. F.
    Why would I wan`t Trane to install the low ambient kit when I could do it myself and probably better.
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    Thanks for all the great info guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegoodlistener View Post
    Why would I wan`t Trane to install the low ambient kit when I could do it myself and probably better.
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    The answer to your problem is in the pudding. You need to make sure your using whole milk and not skim. Tech support won't tell you that but everyone knows it's true. I hope you at least tasted the pudding before calling tech support. They can tell who has tasted it and who hasn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phisher View Post
    The answer to your problem is in the pudding. You need to make sure your using whole milk and not skim. Tech support won't tell you that but everyone knows it's true. I hope you at least tasted the pudding before calling tech support. They can tell who has tasted it and who hasn't.
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  7. #20
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phisher View Post
    The answer to your problem is in the pudding. You need to make sure your using whole milk and not skim. Tech support won't tell you that but everyone knows it's true. I hope you at least tasted the pudding before calling tech support. They can tell who has tasted it and who hasn't.
    NICE! you've been reading!

    the chiller needs to be in control of the pudding pump AT ALL TIMES! it is right there in the latest IOM. if the chiller calls for pudding to flow...then there better be pudding flowing!
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    I thought you would appreciate the pudding problem here.

  9. #22
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    I thought you would appreciate the pudding problem here.

    And its really hard to pump frozen pudding ???????
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  10. #23
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    Sounds like your customer has a less than perfect system and is pushing you to get it going.I recammend you don't be a hero,inform them of there options and consequences and let them decide.If you want to get them going you can try and start it with a bunch of condensor fans disconnected and start it with a manifold set attached and babysit it.I would recammend they drain the bundles and winterize them with glycol.
    Sorry to rant but i'm sick of customers whining about stuff not being perfect then they expect the world of you.Sounds like your customer and the owner of your company have a problem.Good Luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dilp172 View Post
    Sounds like your customer has a less than perfect system and is pushing you to get it going.I recammend you don't be a hero,inform them of there options and consequences and let them decide.If you want to get them going you can try and start it with a bunch of condensor fans disconnected and start it with a manifold set attached and babysit it.I would recammend they drain the bundles and winterize them with glycol.
    Sorry to rant but i'm sick of customers whining about stuff not being perfect then they expect the world of you.Sounds like your customer and the owner of your company have a problem.Good Luck.
    Pumps and load for the building are 24/7 with enough load for 2 chillers which is about 400 tons.

    1) I would have figured that Trane kinda missed it both times once when the sales engineer sold the chillers to begin with knowing what the building was going to be used for.

    2)When Trane started the chillers up , they pushed the freeze protection aspect of it but not a low ambient running situation on a data center lab .

    So I can't put it all on the customer. Sorry for my rant.
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