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    In all actuality, Li-Ion batteries are actually quite recyclable... and will be used to make... Li-Ion batteries. The problem, currently, is since most LiIon batteries are small in nature (laptops, cell phones, etc), the cost to handle/recycle them is higher than the value of the materials. However, when you up the size to car size, that economics changes, and I'm pretty certain it will become quite economical to recycle them.

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    Sounds like you guys like to save money! You like to use energy wisely, and reduce the amount of money you spend. Sell equipment that might be more expensive up front, but in the end will most likely save the customer money.

    Who cares what you call it, Green, Frugal, Wise, etc.

    Judging others and labeling them does not help anyone.

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    The thing that pisses me off about the "Green Movement" is that the entirely reasonable and sensible conservation movement was coopted by the hard left socialist/Marxist/communist political movement types, and converted to complete BS of the "man made global warming" or climate change, or whatever the hell they are calling it this week, ideological(damn near religious) "Green" movement.
    If more government is the answer, then it's a really stupid question.

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    Another zombie thread resurrection!

    Why the heck do people dredge up threads that haven't been active in 1+ years?
    If more government is the answer, then it's a really stupid question.

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    I'm from Canada, the "greenest" country in North America. Up in Quebec where I lived, they like to install air-source heat pumps because they are so green (as opposed to a fuel-burning furnace which is so un-green). Let me tell you that with almost half of every year being WELL below freezing... contractors get a lot of "green" from overworked, failed heat pumps. Not to mention the occasional "green slime".

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    conservation movement, green movement, efficiency movement, whatever you want to call it saving energy and money is a great thing.

    Wasting energy with inefficient machines that are cheap up front, but cost a lot in the long run doesn't do anyone any good. Or applying the wrong technology that is expensive isn't good either. Just think of all the waste that Solyndra created!

    Seriously who can really argue with the above. We all want to save some money and have quality things that are efficient. Every hear someone complain that their car's MPG is too high?

    But instead of focusing on a common goal people want to label each other? Nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phrancis View Post
    I'm from Canada, the "greenest" country in North America. Up in Quebec where I lived, they like to install air-source heat pumps because they are so green (as opposed to a fuel-burning furnace which is so un-green). Let me tell you that with almost half of every year being WELL below freezing... contractors get a lot of "green" from overworked, failed heat pumps. Not to mention the occasional "green slime".
    Quebec has lots of cheap power from hydro dams - heck, I would take straight electric resistance heat over gas/oil there. At least the price is stable and the source of energy is renewable.

    In Ontario most people don't know what a heatpump is.

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    Anyone who claims that they completely stop working below freezing is full of crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amd View Post
    Quebec has lots of cheap power from hydro dams - heck, I would take straight electric resistance heat over gas/oil there. At least the price is stable and the source of energy is renewable.

    In Ontario most people don't know what a heatpump is.

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    Anyone who claims that they completely stop working below freezing is full of crap.
    Granted, electric is cheap. But repair labor isn't!! (neither are new compressors). Not saying they completely stop, but they are far less effective absorbing heat from outside air when there is so little to be absorbed.

    Our clients in Ontario seem to have mainly fuel furnaces and boilers (especially BAXI - Not sure why but that's about the only area we ever see those - Also been told they are pain in the *** to work on)

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    "so little to be absorbed."

    Absolute zero is -273c.

    There's plenty of heat available even at -18C/0F; capacity is poor in cold weather because traditional heatpumps have single speed compressors which can't ramp up to provide a high compression ratio when needed. Some newer units like the carrier greenspeed are supposed to heat great below freezing.

    Freezers move heat from -18C to 25+C air effectively without eating compressors - compression ratio is through the roof though.

    Very low electric rates are a must though to bother with air source.

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    The thing that pisses me off about the "Green Movement" is that the entirely reasonable and sensible conservation movement
    ...I still wonder why the environmental movement is fixated on global warming rather than something concrete such as resource depletion.

    No one cares if there's a 10% chance coastal areas will be covered in water in 100 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by newstudent View Post
    conservation movement, green movement, efficiency movement, whatever you want to call it saving energy and money is a great thing.

    Wasting energy with inefficient machines that are cheap up front, but cost a lot in the long run doesn't do anyone any good. Or applying the wrong technology that is expensive isn't good either. Just think of all the waste that Solyndra created!

    Seriously who can really argue with the above. We all want to save some money and have quality things that are efficient. Every hear someone complain that their car's MPG is too high?

    But instead of focusing on a common goal people want to label each other? Nonsense.

    Correct.

    It is when one group takes the concept of energy conservation through wise and efficient use of energy and, as Mark said, turns it into almost a religion.

    I don't think that anyone in their right mind is opposed to sensible use of energy. What most are opposed to is the government mandating how much energy they can use and how they can use it.

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    If the government didn't have codes for minimum insulation levels in homes there would be builders out there selling homes for $5,000 less with no insulation and consumers out there buying them because they are "cheaper" (not really given how much energy they use over time)

    There are states like Hawaii that mandate solar hot water, not because it is green, but because it is free energy and saves money. Most of the southern USA could get free hot water for 9 months out of the year.

    Same thing with car MPG, In the USA the Federal Government just proposed new MPG standards of over 50MPG and we have people complaining that it will "increase the cost" of car by $3,000. Short sighted given that it will save double that over the lifetime of the car. One of the military's goals is to become energy independent, hardly surprising given the volatile middle east. I for one would love to stop buying oil from countries that blow up our buildings.

    the reason the govt has to step in and control stuff like this is it is human nature to buy what looks cheap up front, even though in the long run it is more expensive to use cheap ineffcient machines.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phrancis View Post
    I'm from Canada, the "greenest" country in North America.
    Now where did you get that from. What about all that wildlife releasing methane gas into the atmosphere?? Your "carbon footprint" may be smaller but it just might have something to do with a little thing called population????
    If you can't fix it with a hammer, you've got an electrical problem.

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