My how have we digressed:
Registered: Dec 2002
I installed my own Panel box "because I know what I am doing" and saved myself $600.00 is that ok? Probably not if I posted this on an electrical forum
How did we go from a homeowner bought equipment on the internet and had it installed by "Hackmaster's" incompetent friend (the part time contractor) who should be able to do any kind of work or anything necessary as long as the money goes to feed his family.
So Mr billpro: how is your argument germain to this situation? It"s not about somebody who claims they know what they are doing installing something in there own home.
Registered: Nov 2003
shame shame mrbill...did you pull a permit on that bad boy??...if not these guys are gonna think your a hack.
Now the plot thickens and you want too chide us by making this a permit issue, who said anythingabout a permit other than you. But I wonder why any person that considers himself a professional member want to give the impression that permits are not necessary?
So I'll give the homeowner a warning:
Do not buy any HVAC Equipment on the internet because you'll buy the wrong thing, then you'll run into a "semi parttime/fulltime" contractor that will take your job even though he won't be able to install it completely,(because he hasn't applied himself completely to the trade)but go ahead anyway because the "contractor" needs the money to feed his family. The good news is even though the "contractor" who installed it won't be able to "fix it" he will have friends who will. If all "them" should have problems in diagnosing "your" problem they will be able to go back to the internet where "you" started and register as "professional members" and hopefully get the answer to your issues off the HVAC-Talk internet site.
It seems to me that some of you are saying: Even though licensing is required, permits are required, it's "ok" to skirt the system if:
A: You need the money
B: If you know what your doing
C: If you don't know what your doing but you have friends that do and you need the money?
Makes sense to me.
Hackmaster? You still continue to defend your "friend" yet why aren't you taking him to task for not recognizing a heatpump was being removed and an electric furnace and std. a/c package installed?
You claim this "friend" would lose money if he had to go to work for someone where he could obtain the some level of training (yet you say he does lots of installs) why is he not at the level yet that he dosen't recognize the differences in various standard equipment?
He never learn anything because "you" will rescue him. I mean really the guy can't wire up a std electric furnace and a/c. But I forgot he can do the high voltage to code (I assume by code you mean the NEC), but of course you say any idiot should be able to do that.
You said there will always be somebody to install this equipment that is bought of the internet:
In fact I think we have met several "SOMEBODIES".
Try To stay on point, make your case if you still feel justified in defending this argument, lets not get off on all the rabbit trails.
This debate will be will go down in HVAC-Talk history as:
The CLOWNS VS THE STOOGES