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  1. #27
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    just dawn on me! there is a co-ray-vac system in building also that runs very occasionly. Will check that out mon. morning with it under full load. THANKS!
    (only took mentioning full load twice)

  2. #28
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    I have dozens of greenheck model KSU MUA units.
    The ones I have are from 1992.
    Do you still adjust the burner profile?
    Dose yours have the outide air dampers with a mod motor that closes when unit is off?

    I have had many issues with the KSU models but have worked them all out over the years!

    The old ones I have have rm7800 burner contrilers!
    The new ones have fireye!

    Tell us more
    I am sure I have already been there!

    Frank
    I WILL SELL WORK,GENERATE BUSINESS, GO GET NEW CUSTOMERS!
    YOU SHUT THE HELL UP AND QUIT RUNNING YOUR MOUTH!

  3. #29
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    believe from '05
    not to fireye control yet on this one, but have seen around on other units.
    has fenwal ignition control and maxitrol amplifier.

  4. #30
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    is this the unit you have??
    http://old.greenheck.com/pdf/makeup/...vember2007.pdf



    -----------------------------------

    I guess I have not seen a FENWALL burner controller???

    I am used to the rm7800 like shown in this pdf??
    I WILL SELL WORK,GENERATE BUSINESS, GO GET NEW CUSTOMERS!
    YOU SHUT THE HELL UP AND QUIT RUNNING YOUR MOUTH!

  5. #31
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    that would be the bad boy. should be the 20 series for unit with. I should say its fenwal flame safe guard/flame generater, and maxitrol series 44 amplifier.

  6. #32
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    funny!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I used to have hundreds of Cambridge units with Fenwall controllers!

    Never had good luck with them!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I remember having to order parts from Johnstone supply!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    good luck bro'!





    Quote Originally Posted by relay320 View Post
    that would be the bad boy. should be the 20 series for unit with. I should say its fenwal flame safe guard/flame generater, and maxitrol series 44 amplifier.
    I WILL SELL WORK,GENERATE BUSINESS, GO GET NEW CUSTOMERS!
    YOU SHUT THE HELL UP AND QUIT RUNNING YOUR MOUTH!

  7. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by emcontrols View Post
    There is no pilot on a direct fired burner. Just the burner unless were not talking about a direct fired burner!!!!!!!!!!!
    I would disagree most of the direct fire burners have a pilot. It's not a separate burner, but a orifice on the end plate. Some don't like the Cambridge units.

  8. #34
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    Quote Originally Posted by ascj View Post
    I would disagree most of the direct fire burners have a pilot. It's not a separate burner, but a orifice on the end plate. Some don't like the Cambridge units.
    Im not being argumentative, the only ones I have seen have the ignition source located at one end of burner assembly (Ignites the burner instead of a pilot) and the flame sensing probe on the other end (sensing the burner instead of a pilot flame). The burner is the shape of a V and it has no heat exchanger. There is no CBM or IDM just a supply fan that pulls the gas from the burner orphices which is where the negative gas pressure derives from at the manifold. (Can only be measured with a magnehelic or digital manometer that reads negative pressure.) The outside air delutes the carbon monixide to less than 20 ppm therfore not needing to vent the products of combustion. This applies to heat recovery units as well as MAU or OAU

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    Quote Originally Posted by emcontrols View Post
    Im not being argumentative, the only ones I have seen have the ignition source located at one end of burner assembly (Ignites the burner instead of a pilot) and the flame sensing probe on the other end (sensing the burner instead of a pilot flame). The burner is the shape of a V and it has no heat exchanger. There is no CBM or IDM just a supply fan that pulls the gas from the burner orphices which is where the negative gas pressure derives from at the manifold. (Can only be measured with a magnehelic or digital manometer that reads negative pressure.) The outside air delutes the carbon monixide to less than 20 ppm therfore not needing to vent the products of combustion. This applies to heat recovery units as well as MAU or OAU
    Again...you sure those burners didn't have a pilot tube going to the end plate? If you are......then I would be real curious what burner manufacturer that is. And what kind of burner primary? If it's a Honeywell RM7800 series or R7700 series...I would guarantee a pilot is being used.

    Cambridge is the only one I have ever seen lite off the burner directly, with hsi. All the others use a ignitor to lite of a pilot, that is tucked in the corner of the burner and then lite of the burner. Older ones use intermittent pilots(horrible and unsafe) and newer ones use interrupted pilots.

  10. #36
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    EMC,
    there is so much different stuff out there and at so many different levels!
    I have leaned on this site to NEVER say NEVER cus I have always been proven wrong! All the Greenheck units I have worked on are positive gas pressure and all have either 7800 or fireye controllers, they all have pilots, some are intermittent and some are interrupted but always have a pilot.
    If you said on this site, "every compressor has electricity!" you would be shot down in 30 minutes!!!!
    LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

    anyhow, have a good day!

    Frank








    Quote Originally Posted by emcontrols View Post
    There is no pilot on a direct fired burner. Just the burner unless were not talking about a direct fired burner!!!!!!!!!!!
    I WILL SELL WORK,GENERATE BUSINESS, GO GET NEW CUSTOMERS!
    YOU SHUT THE HELL UP AND QUIT RUNNING YOUR MOUTH!

  11. #37
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    I've never worked on a MUA without a pilot, Most of my equipment is larger and require flame proof for the SSOV. Post some pics, could be something that hasn't received approval up here in the Great White North.

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    I'll take a pic and try to show what I've got as I get a chance.

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    Does this units act up at any specific time of day or just whenever. Any chance of monitoring the supply voltage to the unit.

    Had 1 site with 2 End Air MUA units that acted like yours but always at night Monday to Friday but never on the weekend.

    Found that there was a DRASTIC voltage drop as a result of the plant next door when they took ( 2) 1500 HP diesels generators off line for service and switched over to the GRID.

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