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  1. #1119
    i am new to this site but not HVAC. I have been doing this for over 30 years and actually have decided I do not really like it much any more. I hate doing maint which is just part of the job but it gives me hours during slow times. I still like to do service though as sometimes I actually have to use my brain. I have noticed that (at least around here) there are to many HVAC techs that take no pride in their work. A lot of them are under qualified and over paid so I guess this is why I don't like it as much as I used to.
    I know R410 is what we have now but I still like R22 better.

  2. #1120
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    I have also been doing it a long time. But I still like it. And I also like that everyone I come along behind is apparently ignorant, stupid, and unthinking. Because while I used to have to actually Work at appearing to be a genius, now more and more I barely have to make an effort to seem like the best there has ever been. I liked R-12, but I like R-409 and R-414. True; not as much, but there is no R-12 anymore so who cares? Same with R-410. I liked R-22 but if it's going away - what am I supposed to do? Shoot myself? The world is what it is. But I can tell you this: no matter what is available to work with - I Am going to make it work to the very best of it's ability.


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    Quote Originally Posted by snowytgr1 View Post
    i am new to this site but not HVAC. I have been doing this for over 30 years and actually have decided I do not really like it much any more. I hate doing maint which is just part of the job but it gives me hours during slow times. I still like to do service though as sometimes I actually have to use my brain. I have noticed that (at least around here) there are to many HVAC techs that take no pride in their work. A lot of them are under qualified and over paid so I guess this is why I don't like it as much as I used to.
    I know R410 is what we have now but I still like R22 better.
    PHM
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    The conventional view serves to protect us from the painful job of thinking.

  3. #1121
    Quote Originally Posted by Poodle Head Mikey View Post
    I have also been doing it a long time. But I still like it. And I also like that everyone I come along behind is apparently ignorant, stupid, and unthinking. Because while I used to have to actually Work at appearing to be a genius, now more and more I barely have to make an effort to seem like the best there has ever been. I liked R-12, but I like R-409 and R-414. True; not as much, but there is no R-12 anymore so who cares? Same with R-410. I liked R-22 but if it's going away - what am I supposed to do? Shoot myself? The world is what it is. But I can tell you this: no matter what is available to work with - I Am going to make it work to the very best of it's ability.


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    I don't believe most people I go behind are stupid,ignorant or unthinking. I think most of it is lack of knowledge and understanding of the equipment and the basic operation of the equipment (which I have no problem with). My issues start because instead of trying to find the solution to a problem they try to BS their way to a solution (totally misdiagnose, order parts because they have no idea whats wrong ect...) I have no problem helping people who need help but they have to ask for it. It seems they think it is a sign of weakness or they have to much pride to admit they don't know something. I am just tired of lying to customers to cover someones lack of knowledge, pride or whatever you want to call it (also tired of customers complaints of previous techs).
    When my A/C dies I think I am going to stay with R22 but have not really decided yet. I have 20lbs of R12 but nothing to use it on

  4. #1122
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    Hi, my name is Dan and I'm an alcoholic...

    Wait, wrong group (JK).

    Actually my first intro to refrigeration was working on automotive A/C, back when R12 was $1.49 a can. During the late 70's I went into electronics as a TV repairman then copiers (dad was a nuclear instrumentaion engineer, so I was exposed to electronics since I could walk). Did some work as an electrician.

    Then in '79 I was hired on at a large controls firm (that appears to get a little bashing here - pretty funny). Back then they handed you a box of books, a bag of tools, some parts, and you were a tech! Boy was I green back then, but never afraid to ask questions or admit I was over my head.

    We still did a lot of pneumatic controls back then - not many of us left anymore, at least around here. Electric, electronic controls, then computers! Our first computer system (not yet DDC) was loaded via toggle switches and paper tape reader. The next one stepped up to cassette tapes, it took hours to load and verify a cpu. Now look where the industry has come, wow.

    Although I have do have type I, II, III universal certification, and have done some refrigeration work, I really never could say I was a refrigeration tech. I have pretty much stuck with controls, mostly for medium/large commercial buildings.

    I really enjoy writing software for complex control sequences - large chiller plants, thermal storage, etc., of course most of the work is the usual building with chiller(s), boiler(s), AH's, VAV's Fan Coils, etc. We also do a fair amount of systems integration, I got Niagara AX certified a couple years back and like it a lot.

    I don't think I will ever get tired of what I do - One day I am writing software, next I am the "factory startup guy" for a bunch of VFD drives, before I know it I'm terminating a large DDC panel, then trying to coax modbus data out of a boiler control panel into a Jace. It's rarely boring.

    The largest chiller plant I have done totaled 12,000 tons worth of centrifugal machines, they also had a 7 million gallon underground thermal storage tank farm. It was there I learned how to get a 36" schedule 80 chilled water line to jump 2" off it's hangers by starting a 450hp pump at the wrong time (it was a long time ago...). This was also where I was introduced to HP steam, and learned real quick I better get some training before I killed myself or someone else.

    This forum looks like it has a tremendous wealth of knowledge, and I look forward to shamelessly tapping into it! Might be able to give a tidbit back too, you never know.

    Dan

  5. #1123
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    I don't lie to customers so I never was able to get tired of it. I don't even criticize most of the dummy-work I get to see any more. Now most often now I just grin and say: Well . . . . it's sure not the way EYE would have done it! Then I make it as happy and nice looking as I can before I grin again and say: "Now take a look; see what I mean?

    I have long thought that on my next "re-work my house A/C" adventure I would use either propane or R-404. But I have so many projects and things to do that maybe I will just use R-410 and be done with it. It seems like it might be a long way off too as for my house now I have 18,000 BTU compressors running in 36,000 condensing units. So their life is already pretty relaxed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by snowytgr1 View Post
    I don't believe most people I go behind are stupid,ignorant or unthinking. I think most of it is lack of knowledge and understanding of the equipment and the basic operation of the equipment (which I have no problem with). My issues start because instead of trying to find the solution to a problem they try to BS their way to a solution (totally misdiagnose, order parts because they have no idea whats wrong ect...) I have no problem helping people who need help but they have to ask for it. It seems they think it is a sign of weakness or they have to much pride to admit they don't know something. I am just tired of lying to customers to cover someones lack of knowledge, pride or whatever you want to call it (also tired of customers complaints of previous techs).
    When my A/C dies I think I am going to stay with R22 but have not really decided yet. I have 20lbs of R12 but nothing to use it on
    PHM
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    The conventional view serves to protect us from the painful job of thinking.

  6. #1124
    Quote Originally Posted by Poodle Head Mikey View Post
    I don't lie to customers so I never was able to get tired of it. I don't even criticize most of the dummy-work I get to see any more. Now most often now I just grin and say: Well . . . . it's sure not the way EYE would have done it! Then I make it as happy and nice looking as I can before I grin again and say: "Now take a look; see what I mean?

    I have long thought that on my next "re-work my house A/C" adventure I would use either propane or R-404. But I have so many projects and things to do that maybe I will just use R-410 and be done with it. It seems like it might be a long way off too as for my house now I have 18,000 BTU compressors running in 36,000 condensing units. So their life is already pretty relaxed.

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    it is not that I actually lie to the customer i just dont tell them everything but it feels like i am lying. I just fix the problem and just say they probably had a bad day (the previous tech) or somwthing like that. I refuse to throw them under a bus (as the saying goes). I have to many customers that request me and only me and will wait until i am free to get their repairs done which i think is rediculous (but good for the ego). Most of the techs (not all though) we have are perfectly capeable of repairing the equipment but they need to take pride in their work and just be more thorough checking out a system. I was sent out to replace defrost board and coils sensor on one call that the tech condemed because he could not get it into defrost. The origional call was for high bills and he never even checked the charge (which was almost void of refrigerant). Trane defrost board flashes codes and he did not even check the board just condemed it (it was flashing a code of 20 defrosts terminated on time). I bet if I talked to the customer he probably tried to sell them new equipment since it was r22 (the system was still under parts warranty). I made them send him back to leak search system and after 2 1/2 hrs he said only thing leaking was schrader cores (as if I have nerer heard that one before lol). I ended up going back about a week later because aux heat was on all the time. Put gauges on and again almost empty. leak checked entire system and indoor coil leaked (only checked system to be sure no other leaks on it). I would like to know how someone can spend 2 1/2 hours leak checking a system and not find a leak (besides the schrader cores) where if you opened your eyes you can visibably see a lot of oil in the drain pan. It is crap like this that upsets me. Some people say "it's job security" i say its just being lazy or just not wanting to do the job (or repair) but I guess it is what it is and I'm getting paid.
    Not sure you all do this but in my house I added a second system to my attic. So I now have 2 zones heating and 1 zone cooling (i did not have the money to do 2 total systems at the time). I split 2 coils and linked both blowers to give me the single zone cooling. I would have just zoned my house but there were just to many zoning board failures when I did this. Now the zoning boards seem to be more reliable so when my lower system (i think its 16 yrs old) has to be replaced I might just zone the house and remove the attic furnace. In that case I would just replace with r41a but if I keep it 2 zones I would stay r22. Not really sure which I would rather do. I hate heat pumps but I am actually even considering a hybred system since electric is cheaper than gas here.

  7. #1125
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    i live in north ga. and have been told by the office of secratary of state that they will take your truck and tools if you are caught doing this work with out a contractors lic.

  8. #1126
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    think i may have replied to the wrong person, so i will say it again. the office of the secratary of state told me that they will take your truck and tools along with fines if you are caught working without a contractors lic. in the state of ga. i hope you got what you need before they get you.

  9. #1127
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    As I stated on my intro thread, I got into this business through the commercial cooking equipment industry. I am not, nor have ever been an hvac tech, only refrigeration and cooking equipment. I worked at a regional repair company since 2005. When the economy started to shift, I began to feel as though they were pushing me out the door as I was the tech who lived the farthest away, and while they kept me in my area running service calls, the fact of the matter was that many customers didn't call on us because we were to expensive. (my area is VERY rural) So it was difficult for me to hold a high productivity.

    In early 2012 I decided I would relieve my employer of the burden of having me on their payroll and tendered my resignation. I began stocking groceries while I obtained my contractors license. My employer was correct. The market in this area is tough and work was slow coming in, even for me. So later on in the year I added the "home improvement" classification to my contractors license (in addition to the original "refrigeration" classification) and began painting, drywall work, and other basic home repairs as a means to diversify my income.

    In December of 2012 I went from full time to part time at the grocery store, and only work on weekends. During the week I grow my business, and so far it's been pretty busy. In fact, since Christmas I think I've only had maybe one or two days where I had nothing to do.

    Moving forward my goal is to pay off a few debts and save a certain amount of money in the business account before I cut dies with the grocery store all together, but I hope to be there in the next 12 - 18 months.

    I have my EPA certification type I and II. VA contractors license class C, classification HIC and REF, I am factory trained on Hobart meat room equipment, warewashers, scales, hlx scales, UWS wrappers, and bakery equipment. I also have attended many small training sessions and seminars on scotsman ice makers, manitowoc, henny penny, electrolux, pitco to name a few.

  10. #1128
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    At my company we have a department dedicated completely to starting new homes up. We don't install the equipment, we go out when the house is almost completely finished and wire everything up, install t'stats, charge the unit, etc. Is this a common thing throughout the country? Or do your guys' new home installers do the "start up" as well?

  11. #1129
    Hello all!!..i am starting hvac/r school very soon and am looking forward to this new adventure in my life. There are 2 schools in my area, a comm. college and an hvac excellence accredited technical school. A business owner i spoke with said the hvac excellence could be "paid for" and that I would be fine with attending the CC. Any extra info would be highly appreciated. Thanks

  12. #1130
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    Quote Originally Posted by NY Newbie View Post
    Hello all!!..i am starting hvac/r school very soon and am looking forward to this new adventure in my life. There are 2 schools in my area, a comm. college and an hvac excellence accredited technical school. A business owner i spoke with said the hvac excellence could be "paid for" and that I would be fine with attending the CC. Any extra info would be highly appreciated. Thanks
    I graduated from the tech school in my area this past September and I am glad I decided to go there. At my company now it's about a 60/40 split with the majority of people going to community college, but I'm really happy with my choice.

    Community college will require you to take some classes unrelated to HVAC, while the tech school will direct you much more towards your technical training. And as far as "HVAC Excellence" goes, I am pretty sure that's not something employers really look for. At least not out here.

  13. #1131
    Thanks for the info and congrats on your graduating. I actually lived in Vegas before moving to NY and i was looking at ATI at one point. Ive been accepted to both so its really just decision time for me. The tech school is a year long with a certificate compared to two years at the CC plus i would have an AOS upon graduation. I know you get what you put in to it and im ready to be a sponge so again thanks alot for the info and good luck in your career.

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