Trane vs Amer Standard

[mitch11mm]

Great forum. I have seen Trane listed many times as one of the many prefered heating systems. I am curious as to why I see Am Stanard listed rarely. Isn't it true they are both basically the same?

Also, I currently have two quotes. Both happen to be for American Standard and are within $100.00 of each other. One is for a 2-stage 60,000 btu unit(a heat loss was done with this quote) and a 2-stage 80,000btu unit. I live in Northern Indiana. Is it possible the 80,000 btu unit is overkill?

I also have a quote for a 2-stage 60,000 btu Rheem unit for $1000.00 less. Is there any reason I should not consider this unit?

[airworx]

same equipment differant name. american standard bought trane company about 8 - 10 years ago.

buy trane usually cheaper and same equipment.

[BaldLoonie]

Trane and A-S indoor units are 100% identical. They should not be $1000 more than a comparable Rheem however. If you are looking at 2 stage 90s, they will be more because of the variable speed inducer. Overall I'd find the Rheem more reliable of late.

Usually the smaller bid is the one with the heat loss calc done. The guy too lazy to do it will bid big to be safe. I hate seeing furnaces oversized, cut it close. Oversizing effectively lowers AFUE.

[tinner73]

put in the Rheem and put that $1000 in your pocket. or send me half.

[framehvac]

Originally posted by tinner73
put in the Rheem and put that $1000 in your pocket. or send me half.

You get what you pay for.

[mitch11mm]

So...framehvac...what are you saying? Do you believe I will get my moneys worth of performance and satisfaction with the more expensive option? I want my installer to make a profit but I do not want to overpay for equipment.

[framehvac]

Originally posted by mitch11mm
So...framehvac...what are you saying? Do you believe I will get my moneys worth of performance and satisfaction with the more expensive option? I want my installer to make a profit but I do not want to overpay for equipment.

I just hate it when they say Rheem they have alot of problems with them they are junk.There is so many threads on what to buy just go look at what everyone has said in the past.We can fight all day on the name here its not worth it sorry.

[ct2]

Mitch: have you gone to the web site of "consumer reports.com and looked at the results of the testing they do on every type of HVAC system and considered any of that information?

or the energy star web site?

[framehvac]

http://www.aceee.org/consumerguide/mostenef.htm

[tinner73]

c'mon on frame....i'm on a roll today for what it's worth Consumer Reports ranks....Trane #1, Rheem#2. they are both good brands. i'm saying Trane is no way $1000 better.

[framehvac]

Originally posted by tinner73
c'mon on frame....i'm on a roll today for what it's worth Consumer Reports ranks....Trane #1, Rheem#2. they are both good brands. i'm saying Trane is no way $1000 better.

How much do you get to push Rheem on each thread?

[tinner73]

frame...acually zero. i'm all big commercial all the time. do you think Rheem owes me some money now? we install a lot of huge Trane units Intellapack and such. Rheem 10 seer with a scroll compressor.........mmmmmmmmm Rheem.

[framehvac]

Originally posted by tinner73
frame...acually zero. i'm all big commercial all the time. do you think Rheem owes me some money now? we install a lot of huge Trane units Intellapack and such. Rheem 10 seer with a scroll compressor.........mmmmmmmmm Rheem.

Yes!Anyone that sales rheem or pushs it,they should pay you alot of money.

[maizenbluedoc]

Sorry, consumer Reports do not rate HVAC units. too many variables to adequately rate these systems.

[tinner73]

i'm sorry too...............GAS FURNACES FROM CONSUMER REPORTS



1 AMERICAN ST.
2 RHEEM
3 TRANE
4 RUUD
5 BRYANT
6 CARRIER
7 HEIL
8 YORK
9 AMANA
10 LENNOX
11 TEMPSTAR
12 GOODMAN


FURNACE REPAIR HISTORY

[Irascible]

Mitch: You are completely missing the boat on this and you'll get screwed as a result. Trane, American Standard and Rheem are all reputable in their own right. ALL of them have had ups and downs. And I'll guaran-damn-tee you that the majority of the difference with any sort of Consumer Reports results has to do with the dealers that put them in, not the equipment.

The REAL question is which contractor will do the best job. The founder of the forum wrote this. Read it. There's also a wall of shame. Go look at it. Look long enough and you'll find botched installs of every brand. Focus on brand and price and you'll absolutely not get the best installation.

Find the contractor with a passion for making kick ass systems. Put whatever brand he sells in and pay him whatever price he asks. And the only way I know for you to be able to figure that out is to get educated on what comprises a good system. Given your price and brand focus, it's obvious to me that you haven't done that. And as a result I bet that all the contractors sound the nearly the same too you. Learn the HVAC language a little better and they'll start to sound different.

[mitch11mm]

Frame...for what it is worth I had actually seen that report. I have seen many reports. The more info I got the foggier things seemed to get. I have tried to do some serious research, but as a homeowner and without training in this field it is difficult to sort through the facts. I do appreciate the opinions that all have shared.

[airpitt]

mitch,
if you think that the price differential is a big issue, don't hesitate to have another Trane dealer (preferably a Trane Comfort Specialist) come out and give you an estimate. Do the same with the Rheem if you feel you should. As was said earlier, choose the dealer who you think will do the best job for you and your family and you shouldn't go wrong.