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  1. #14
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    Feb 2005
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    Here in Colo. Springs we have a school that keeps pumping out HVAC techs, with no experience. In the summer, they get ballsy and post signs for ac install at a certain/ specific price. Guess who hires them? You do! When are people really going to understand that you get what you pay for? Not saying you can't get good deals but common sense people. Like someone else said, if the customer doesn't care enough to get the job done right, then how is it possible that they are going to find a contractor that will!!!
    ## + years in the field never made you a know-it-all This industry is far more diverse than you are

  2. #15
    I must be strange as it is never about the money to me it is about trust, quality of work and getting the best solution avail. Money is important but I will spend it to get the above..

    As some of you have stated to few profesionals out there nowdays and when as a HO you ask for the best and get average it makes you lose trust.


    AB

  3. #16
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    Aug 2003
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    Your return isn't the hvac companies fault that would be the contractor,the guy over building the house & you.You most as a home owner tell the contractor up front what you won't,then the contractor will tell the hvac contractor what to do.The job is done next time you build a house tell the contractor what you won't before the hvac guy is done.

  4. #17
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
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    WORKMANSHIP

    As a homeowner I've been tightening up the duct work on a house I bought. I finally tore it all out because of poor workmanship of the installer. Reducers were made with duct tape to take up the gap and the tape has dried up and fallen off. No screws at joints, gaps in insulation, boots not insulated, holes in floor too big for boots and not sealed, limited use of hangers, main duct nailed to floor joists, many holes and air leaks. This house had a 120,000 btu furnace and 5 ton ac, it has been sized by a professional at 3.5 ton heat pump. Much of their utility cost was going outside and they were still drafty. It only takes a couple like this to cause suspision of the whole industry.

  5. #18
    Originally posted by framehvac
    Your return isn't the hvac companies fault that would be the contractor,the guy over building the house & you.You most as a home owner tell the contractor up front what you won't,then the contractor will tell the hvac contractor what to do.The job is done next time you build a house tell the contractor what you won't before the hvac guy is done.


    I sat down with the Contractor and the HVAC sub and explaind to them that I wanted to have the best AC solution avail. I wanted to have a system that was able to maintain even temp throughout the house and powerfull enough to keep the temp in the middle of summer or winter..

    What I got was three Heat pump units whereas the original design was for one large unit? I was told this was the way to get the house Zoned BullS@#$T But I did not know that at that time. Only after I have lived in the house through two seasons and had nothing but issues with comfort and the HVAC company telling me that there was nothing that can be done to make it any better as what I have is the best thing going.. I started to think that they were just stalling to get past the Warrinty period of One year.

    I began to do my own looking around and have fornd out a lot about HVAC related issues. I have read the HVAC training manuals and Tech documents etc and have found that what I have is not at all the best thing going.. also I find that I can fix my problems. I have done much to do this myself but quite frankly I would have rather had someone that was a profesional do it for me. Afterall I have my own job and it is not HVAC.

    The bad thing is when I have an HVAC contractor come over they just look at what I have done and it is so far over there heads.. How can I have confidence when I as a simple DIYer can do things that are so much over the heads of the local HVAC professionals.

    I am glad I have found this board as I do beleve that most of you on this board are infact very good and the fact that you know how to use a computer puts you above the level of the people I have delt with so far. So I do beleve there is hope.

    AB

  6. #19
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    Nov 2004
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    Andrew

    Andrew sounds like you got raped.

    Often times it is better to have multiple zones in a home because of large heat gains for parts of the day.

    If your home only needed one system why didn't the contractor offer you zoning with dampers. You could have saved on installation cost.

    I feel bad for you because I know how bad HVAC systems can be installed and how poorly they can be designed.

    I have not been perfect over the years, but I always go out of the way to please our customers.

    At the end of the day the hot meal on the table is thanks to you the customer.

    If you had a problem and pointed it out to me it would not be over my head. If it was over my head I would be on this forum finding out the solution. This forum really has some experts in there field.

  7. #20
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    Aug 2004
    Location
    middle georgia
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    Andrew, you live in W.R. You wouldn't have a bryant unit by chance would you? I was just wondering which local hack installed your system. No names please just hints.
    Please step AWAY from the condensing unit.

  8. #21
    Originally posted by gillman-air
    Andrew, you live in W.R. You wouldn't have a bryant unit by chance would you? I was just wondering which local hack installed your system. No names please just hints.
    The name of the Hack starts with a "B" and they do plumbing as well. In fact they also did the plimbing and I have problems with that as well.

    I called them the other day and told them I needed work done I also gave them my lot number thinking this would help them get prepaired. They never called me back. after two days I then called them back and said that this was a billible call and my house was not under warrinty. I had two vans at my house within 5 min. I have what i beleve to be a blocked vent pipe which causes the tolet in the guest bathroom to suck the water out the P trap in the bath causing a smell to come into the house from the sewer. They wanted to install a new flush system in the tolet. I told them to leave. What a bunch of crooks. If I was not there my wife would have gladly purchesed the new unnecessary flush system. ( There is nothing wrong with the flush system in that loo) They tried to say it would fix the smell. Bull S#@$#$T but they obviously get lots of people to purchase unnecessary junk from them doing this type of thing.


  9. #22

    ends in L

    Originally posted by gillman-air
    Andrew, you live in W.R. You wouldn't have a bryant unit by chance would you? I was just wondering which local hack installed your system. No names please just hints.
    The name of the Hack starts with a "B" and they do plumbing as well. In fact they also did the plimbing and I have problems with that as well.

    I called them the other day and told them I needed work done I also gave them my lot number thinking this would help them get prepaired. They never called me back. after two days I then called them back and said that this was a billible call and my house was not under warrinty. I had two vans at my house within 5 min. I have what i beleve to be a blocked vent pipe which causes the tolet in the guest bathroom to suck the water out the P trap in the bath causing a smell to come into the house from the sewer. They wanted to install a new flush system in the tolet. I told them to leave. What a bunch of crooks. If I was not there my wife would have gladly purchesed the new unnecessary flush system. ( There is nothing wrong with the flush system in that loo) They tried to say it would fix the smell. Bull S#@$#$T but they obviously get lots of people to purchase unnecessary junk from them doing this type of thing.


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