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    Climategate evidence pdf

    http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/clima...ine_banner.pdf

    The banner across the top displays the evidence. Use the magnifier to enlarge it. The pages below it are footnotes.
    Vacuum Technology:
    CRUD = Contamination Resulting in Undesirable Deposits.
    CRAPP = Contamination Resulting in Additional Partial Pressure.

    Change your vacuum pump oil now.

    Test. Testing, 1,2,3.

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    Global warming has been pretty well exposed as a political myth now.
    "No matter how thirsty your imagination, mirages contain no water"

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    Its what intelligent people that don't swallow everything they read have known for a long time.

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    All those start up companies manufacturing solar panels are laying off.

    It common knowledge in articles on Reuters...

    Same thing happened in Spain. They could'nt contain the cost based on debt.


    All kind of hush,hush in the main stream media.

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    While I have not swallowed the pill that humans are responsible for all that is going on around us, it didn't take a rocket scientist approach to see the brown smog hanging around cities and realize that we as a population were doing a pretty poor job of taking care of our home (the earth planet).

    I still ask the questions, "Where were humans when the ice age ended? How is it that the earth froze, then melted and man wasn't even in existence at the time?" I guess too many prehistoric barbbiques. Must have taken some mighty big fires to roast a rex, eh? In any event, absent someone providing me with an intelligent comparison to what happend during the ice age and what's happening now vis-a-vie global warming, I'm not believing all that's written and spoken.

    But that's doesn't absolve us of some responsibility of being preverbial pigs when it comes to being good 'sheppards' of the earth.

    We have the technology to eliminate fossil fuel powered automobiles. But yes, the cost is higher than fossil fuel burners, thus keeping the overall market somewhat resistant to alternatives. Absent a formal, federal mandate to end production of fossil fuel autos and light trucks, the investors will be slow to back more research and manufactuer of earth friendly autos. Again, the federal government shows it love for the fossil fuel market.

    Recycling of materials of all types, solar, geo-thermal and water conservation are all areas where we could make substantial inroads at no loss of convenience but at some substantial financial investment.

    I believe we should have a government that is a leader in taking care of the earth. Unfortunately, no matter your political persuasion, you should be able to admint that our leaders fall woefully short of true leadership on these fronts.

    Until we get a government that will eliminate earmarks, prohibit riders that have no bearing on a bill from being attached to it and that will repeal the healt benefits and retirement benefits of federal elected officials, we have no hope of any improvement. Our pols are very learned at keeping the voters distracted and off balance, thinking they're voting for change when in fact, change is never coming. Doesn't matter which party is in charge, doesn't matter who the President is, until we get real, grassroots, fundamental changes, we have no hope of positive change. And if you don't believe me, just look at the last 2 administrations and add up the scores. Pretty dismal reading, I'd say.
    If YOU want change, YOU have to first change.

    If you are waiting for the 'other guy' to change first, just remember, you're the 'other guy's' other guy. To continue to expect real change when you keep acting the same way as always, is folly. Won't happen. Real change will only happen when a majority of the people change the way they vote!

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    Until they fix the infrastructure projects like wind farms are also gonna me a loosing deal . The transmission lines across the country are poorly designed and need to be replaced, new ones added. Individual states would all want a "rental" fee for allowing space to be used for the construction of the new lines. By the time they ran through numerous states and absorbed the fees the power would be to expensive to make it worthwhile.

    Drill baby drill.
    I'm not tolerating Political Correctness anymore, from now on it's tell it like it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skippedover View Post
    We have the technology to eliminate fossil fuel powered automobiles. But yes, the cost is higher than fossil fuel burners, thus keeping the overall market somewhat resistant to alternatives.
    Thats actually not true, any existing automobiles can be converted to electric, at reasonable costs, considering what the automobile makers are selling. First of all, some of the supposed electric vehicles are not electric, especially the Chevy Volt. Considering that Chevrolet had a fully electric car some years back that everyone loved, the EV1, and now has a supposed electric car, that one has to put gas in, is ridicules. Its going back to the future, if you want to go more then 40 miles you have to put gas in it.

    The Nissan Leaf is fully electric, but at a cost that most are not willing to pay.

    I can build a vehicle that can get a easy 100 miles with no problems, and more if needed. But considering that the average driver doesnt even come close to needing those miles, anything over 100 miles is overkill, especially since we dont have the infrastructure to recharge such vehicles yet, but its in the making, many areas are already installing charging stations.

    The upcomming contender thats going to blow everyone out is Tesla. They are working on a car thats going to be what a real EV needs to be, with all the comforts that people are used to. So if you have some spare money to invest in a stock, now there is a real opportunity.

    The bottom line is, the automobile industries and all that are connected are in a panic, for a real EV needs very little maintainance, no oil, no gas, no antifreeze etc. etc. So many so called electrics still have a gas engine to get the miles everyones asks when you mention EV's, even though most dont put enough miles on a day to even worry about miles.

    Yes, at this point ICE vehicles will not be eliminated for obvious reasons, and unless you only travel local, a second vehicle will still be needed, but then again, most households already have two vehicles.

    This country desperatly needs to make an effort to get away from fossile fuel as much as possible. I dont know about you, but I dont want my money going over there.

    Also besided how many miles does it get I get asked when people see my EV...how long does it take to charge is the next question ???...10 seconds I tell them, I plug it in and go inside, the next morning its ready to go.

    Here are some interesting links, the first segment of EV-TV needs to be watched to get the idea whats going on, the rest of the segments are technical in nature, and are an eye opener, to what can be accomplished by plain DIY'ers.

    The DIY electric vehicle forum is very educational, but still has many missconceptions on how to do it properly.

    Jack Rickhard from EV-TV has a saying...."How do you know when you own an electic car....

    When your NOT sitting at a gas pump."

    Enjoy the links.

    Roy




    http://web.me.com/mjrickard/
    http://www.diyelectriccar.com/forums/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Racer View Post
    http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/clima...ine_banner.pdf

    The banner across the top displays the evidence. Use the magnifier to enlarge it. The pages below it are footnotes.
    You want the long version or the short one....

    Its wrought with fraud form head to tow.

    You,ve got the British government picking up the entire tab of the IPCC.

    You've got 30 year data supplied by NASA used as a basis for new climate models. Thanks to Hansen

    You've got NOAA involved in it too.

    You've got suppressed info omited from reports from skeptical scientists.

    All of this based on a theory and theory alone of the old Russian Academy of Sciences, Trofim Lysenko.

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    American children are too fat to fit in small automobiles!
    " Kill a Commie for Mommy! "

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolwhip View Post
    American children are too fat to fit in small automobiles!
    Then strap em to the roof lugguge carrier option.

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    Quote Originally Posted by coolwhip View Post
    American children are too fat to fit in small automobiles!
    If thats a reply to my EV post...the most popular vehicles are Ford and Chevy pick up's. Any vehicle can be converted, whatever flavor suits you.

    Roy
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    Can't manufacture that many EV's

    Roy,

    Sorry to bust your bubble, but there are not enough rare earth metals in existence to replace ICE cars with EV's:

    Please ponder the amount of copper, aluminum, gallium, selenium, lutetium, lanthanum, neodymium, ..., minerals needed to build an EV car. Then consider that there are 2 billion vehicles on the planet with projections of 3 billion by 2020. Life expectancy of these vehicles is only 6-7 years (see EV's and Hybrids are a financial gamble below), so over just 100 years that is 42 billion vehicles. Though to be responsible to future generations, we should be thinking and planning in terms of at least several hundred years. In the unlikely event we can raise the recycling of all EV batteries and mineral intense subsystems to over 90%, there is still a significant loss of usable minerals per 7 year cycle. There are heated discussions about published targets of 100 metric tons of terbium and dysprosium for the auto industry over the next 10 years as this will impact over 1,000 other industries and likely increase the price of these minerals by some factor.

    Without mining the minerals of Mars, the concept of manufacturing more than tens of millions of EV cars within a 7 year cycle is simply not possible if manufacturers continue to use high volumes of rare earths. If in 10 years, EV's represent even 5% of the vehicles on the road, such a large allocation of specific minerals would be catastrophic to a long list of other industries. "There is already a shortage, because there are companies that already can't get enough material," said Jim Hedrick, a former USGS rare earth specialist who recently retired. "No one is trying to expand their use of rare earths because they know they are not available."
    From http://www.etcgreen.com/blog/general...not-our-future

    Looks like ethanol from algae might be the most feasible long-term bet, after natural gas is depleted.
    Vacuum Technology:
    CRUD = Contamination Resulting in Undesirable Deposits.
    CRAPP = Contamination Resulting in Additional Partial Pressure.

    Change your vacuum pump oil now.

    Test. Testing, 1,2,3.

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    http://www.five-shades-of-green-ener.../methanol.html

    Methanol derived from Hemp Stativa L,thats the stuff you can grow and use instead of using corn,when mixed with gas,due to the latent heat of evaporation and compressed Boyle's Law is the answer.

    Oil form Hemp. Lubricants from Hemp. Soap from Hemp. Car body parts from Hemp etc........

    A minimum of 50% reduction on the dependency of foreign oil could be attained with growing Hemp on 6 to 15 % of our fallows in this country.

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