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  1. #27
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    Originally posted by fat eddy
    He is going to the satrup regardless,he may as well have something to guide him.
    Then post it for him Edwardo!

  2. #28
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    Originally posted by fat eddy
    He is going to the satrup regardless,he may as well have something to guide him.
    Am not taking the blame the only check out he needs is to make sure he is in the van before it takes off.

  3. #29
    the last two installs i did by myself everything from running the ductwork , copper, soldering, electrical wiring.
    my boss gave me the bluprints, we ordered the material and i got busy. simple as that. they sent one guy to help me hang the inside unit, and he left. i know i'm still a rookie and have no problem saying that. i actually start this new job monday morning and was just curious as to what you guys call a "start up" . I like working in this field so far and know that i have a long way to go, but i've found this to be very satisfying work. thanks for all of your replies.

  4. #30
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    Originally posted by pdavis6061980
    the last two installs i did by myself everything from running the ductwork , copper, soldering, electrical wiring.
    my boss gave me the bluprints, we ordered the material and i got busy. simple as that. they sent one guy to help me hang the inside unit, and he left. i know i'm still a rookie and have no problem saying that. i actually start this new job monday morning and was just curious as to what you guys call a "start up" . I like working in this field so far and know that i have a long way to go, but i've found this to be very satisfying work. thanks for all of your replies.

    pdavis6061980 we were just funny with you do you know superheat & subcooling?

  5. #31
    yeah, i know superheat and subcooling. i've charged a few systems using the superheat method. pretty simple stuff. although i havent charged using the subcooling method yet, but from what i understand it's fairly easy.
    how exactly do you charge by subcooling? i know that it's by head pressure, but that's about it..

  6. #32
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    furthermore the company he works for REALLY could care less about YOU..the HO!


    NOW THERE IS A STATEMENT BY SOMEONE THAT REALLY BELIEVES HIMSELF
    pm4589
    THIS MY BE ONLY MY OPINION: but you have some nerve posting a statement like that.
    The home owner to some of the people in this busniess are the customers we serve, without them we are not in busniess.

    You wrote this as a result of Framehvac's post but what you and the other homeowners seeking advice dont know / dont understand and dont care about is that this is not a busniess for untrained people to work in. We work around dangerous conditions and part of repairing this stuff is knowing what those dangers are.

    If the original poster really did get a job doing startups
    the information he should understand the information he is recording. you dont just start on monday and automatically have a knowlege of thermodynamics- you gain that knowlege as a helper----it has nothing to do with caring about a homeowner-----

  7. #33
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    would say he is well on his way to being a good tech.Post him a fricken start-up sheet.

    Hey eddie: you dont work in this busniess either do you?

    The things that you have posted in the past are more on the line of a home depot expert.
    Give this guy a start up sheet- you really have no idea , and dont care - about what the numbers on that start up sheet would tell AN EXPERIENCED TECH

    and what if one of those startups happened to be a commercial application-who would be there to tell him how to check those three black wired for the proper voltage

    Questions about who should pay for parking tickets?
    $3000.00 tips accepted from an old lady

    Give this guy a start up sheet

    They answered all of those questions in tech school, even had practice parking meters--- you are not in this busniess

  8. #34
    Wow CT@

    I am speechless,I have never ran into anyone who knew so little about so much,you know let me tell you something, ahh nevermind you aren't worth it.


    You really do beleive that I am a HO and not in the field don't you ? If I am, then you should try another field because you can not even compete with a homeowner.Do all of your HO customers know more than you ?

    [Edited by fat eddy on 03-06-2005 at 11:34 AM]

  9. #35
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    gotta tell you I am sitting back enjoying this. Glad to know it's not just me! Flames all around me, and I'm not even involved!

    Best point made: someone giving advice on how to answer the person, but fails to provide the answer himself! That just exudes confidence!

  10. #36
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    Originally posted by irishmist
    gotta tell you I am sitting back enjoying this. Glad to know it's not just me! Flames all around me, and I'm not even involved!

    Best point made: someone giving advice on how to answer the person, but fails to provide the answer himself! That just exudes confidence!

    irishmist Flames all around me call the fire department.




    pdavis6061980
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    I'm new to the field and have about 8 months eperience and 2 weeks trade school. I've been offered a job as a start up man for a local ac company. he says they are very large homes, 4 - 5 units per home. what all do start ups consist of? are there any kind of check lists or anything of that sort? Thanks

    If they are going to train you then thats ok but if you have to do it by yourself you don't have enough experience sorry.

    irishmist that is the answer if you don't like it then you tell him the answer & talking about flames you better hope he doesn't burn someones house down.Its not my job to give the answer that he is looking for I am just trying to state the truth.irishmist this isn't the first time,you just jumped in & blamed people just talk with us.

  11. #37
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    Originally posted by ct2
    furthermore the company he works for REALLY could care less about YOU..the HO!


    NOW THERE IS A STATEMENT BY SOMEONE THAT REALLY BELIEVES HIMSELF
    pm4589
    THIS MY BE ONLY MY OPINION: but you have some nerve posting a statement like that.

    WHAT?

    The home owner to some of the people in this busniess are the customers we serve, without them we are not in busniess.
    Agree 100%

    You wrote this as a result of Framehvac's post
    No, AB's

    but what you and the other homeowners seeking advice dont know / dont understand and dont care about is that this is not a busniess for untrained people to work in.
    Agree 100%

    We work around dangerous conditions and part of repairing this stuff is knowing what those dangers are.
    And getting training......Agree 100% I'm with ya!

    If the original poster really did get a job doing startups
    the information he should understand the information he is recording.

    Lost me here....incoherent

    you dont just start on monday and automatically have a knowlege of thermodynamics- you gain that knowlege as a helper----
    Again, agree 100%

    it has nothing to do with caring about a homeowner-----
    Lets see ...the HO is buying a new house that is going to be started by an person with very limited understanding of the equipment and the proper procedures ....hummmm[/B]

    AB had some trouble in another post that gave the impression that he has lost faith with hvac contractors. With that said, the point of my response was that here is a fine example of why us contractors (yes I am one) get a bad reputation.

    In no way did I express any anger or disrespect to the young kid that asked about start-ups. If it came off that way I do apologize.

    pdavis, IMHO you are being tossed to the wolves and as I said, you are aggressive and will most likely do just fine. The company that hired you should not let you perform start-up on your own until you understand their way of doing things. If their way of doing things is to simply hire a kid with little training then it sounds to me that this company is most likely doing trac homes and as we all know its about the bottom dollar and not quallity

    Its getting to be that too many people in hear are just looking to argue.



    [Edited by pm4589 on 03-06-2005 at 02:32 PM]

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    The company that hired you should not let you perform start-up on your own until you understand their way of doing things.


    Thats the point.


    Its getting to be that too many people in hear are just looking to argue

    I gave my answer to him,most did not just talked about why no one told him the answer.So lets see someone give the guy a checkout list someone step up.

  13. #39
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    I think your mistakenly under the impression that I agree with this kid doing start-ups without knowing what hes doing???????
    IM NOT!
    I dont agree at all!
    But it happens all the time! and WE the contractors get a bad rep.
    I guess I didnt get my point across ..Im so confussed!

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