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  1. #1
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    E15.........the government is about to destroy your engine

    is the EPA trying there level best to destroy your engine?

    E15 is NOT good for older engines, so why is the government pushing this fuel?

    it cost a boat load to make, it's inefficient and Hygroscopic ( I think thats the word)

    Ever since I put E10 in my truck it runs like crap, E15 can't be any better
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    And Worse in your Boat and Lawn and Garden engines!

    It takes 2x more alcohol to do the same work as Gas. This alcohol business is a Joke.
    Yes, I know I Shouldn't But I Just Can't Help Myself...

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    Das Krakalakin....

    The stuff we buy now....I believe its E10... is already bad for engines in that it lessens the lifetime of them. Government dont care because they say people dont hold onto their cars for a very long time like they used too....

    Of course with things being built like they are today....you cant hold onto an auto like you used too..... I see 70s models running down the road in better condition than late 80s early 90s models....

    Of course this ethanol laden gas is going to get them too....

    Wasnt it the fruitcakes out in california who got the old additive removed based on safety reasons or something....

    anyhow..... I blame society as a whole.....government doesnt care about destroying your cars engine prematurely because people as a whole are ready to go into debt every 3-4 years for a new auto....
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    They should take it all out and let us buy pure gasoline like we used to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirbinster View Post
    They should take it all out and let us buy pure gasoline like we used to.
    Wow you must not like big government, Democrats and socialism like some of their defenders here do. Don't have to name them we all know who they are. Please come on this thread and defend this darling program of the left. Thank you, thank you very much
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    The ethenol is not generally bad for the engine itself, other than decrease in efficiency. However it attracts moisture rapidly, it phase separates. there fore only lasting 15-30day's then it's just water and useless. The big issue is it will ruin rubber hose and gaskets.

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    The older cars were not designed for it and the biggest problem is the rubber parts. The drop in efficiency is a lesser problem but what is the point if there is no drop in price? If ethanol was cheaper to produce such as in Brazil where they make it from sugar cane, it would make sense. They end up importing less oil because of it which saves the country money. To use it in the US (and Canada) it takes more money if you end up including all the subsidies.

    The whole idea was to use alternative energy sources, and developing them sometimes needs a kick in the pants to get them on line. To be fair nobody knew how much of a downside there would be here till they put it in place. Now that we know the only people that really benefit are the producers and the farmers that supply the feedstock. The cost of food has risen because there is now more artificial demand from the ethanol industry on corn. We used to buy US corn here, feed hogs and them ship them back down to you. The cost of corn went up and made it not feasible.

    Just a bad idea from the start but no one has the political will to say it was a mistake.

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    So not only do we pay more for this junk, but we get lower gas mileage from it too.

    Here are the number.

    Regular unleaded gas: 114,100 BTU / Gallon

    Reformulated gas 10% ethanol: 111,836 BTU / Gallon

    E85 (liquid garbage): 81,800 BTU / Gallon

    Ethanol: 81,800 BTU / Gallon

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirbinster View Post
    So not only do we pay more for this junk, but we get lower gas mileage from it too.

    Here are the number.

    Regular unleaded gas: 114,100 BTU / Gallon

    Reformulated gas 10% ethanol: 111,836 BTU / Gallon

    E85 (liquid garbage): 81,800 BTU / Gallon

    Ethanol: 81,800 BTU / Gallon
    and my truck still runs like crap, I guess I better go buy a case of fuel filters and spark plugs
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