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  1. #14
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    Hmmm, Lessee:

    If I install a system, and the fan motor in the cond fails... do I repair it (for $$$)... Is this any different than if the 'stand' fails and I repair it (for $$$)?
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    SIR WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS DISHONEST AND MY CUSTOMERS GET TREATED BETTER THAN THAT !!!! i do not do work knowing that my clients will have to pay for me to come back and fix something that ive shouldve known better than to do. dont quote the scriptures if you are going to be dishonest please

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin&sonsa/c View Post
    LOL!!! i wasnt trying to get you worked up i understand about you having to build them up because of a fllod plain i was just asking and i poor concrete pads for all of my units and if you think that there is a material out there composite , pressure treated etc. that wont rott over time than smartt @ss your wrong.
    I have not seen one properly built for the weight, fail within th lifespan of a Heatpump. Now yes we change them upon C/O, if in poor shape which is about 30% of the time and no one said they won't last forever. We just can't elevate a condenser from 2-8ft above grade with a concrete pad.

    And to set this straight you were being an @ss with your statement about me warrantying my equip when it falls through, You obviously don't know how to build a deck, nor how pressure treated lumber is. All the houses round here are built on pressure treated pilings, I guess all the contractors are dumb@$$'s for not thinking the house will last more than a few years.

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    i wasnt trying to be an @ss i really wasnt i just have never heard of anyone building a deck for an outside unit but than again i havent ran into the situations ya'll have with fllood plains and such but i do know about pressure treated material ive built structures all over the world and i make sure that they will stand for life. i know it will probably last as long as the equipment but i wouldnt take a chance i cant my installs are warrantied for life which means if concrete pad cracks or if a condencer becomes unlevel than i will fix it for free i build things like my father and his before him i build things that last plain and simple now im not saying you arent doing a good job just never heard of decks for ouside units. sorry if it came out that way.

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    No problem, If I didn't have to they would all be on crete. You should take a trip to any coastal area that's the only way they are done. At least on the East Coast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin&sonsa/c View Post
    SIR WHAT YOU JUST SAID IS DISHONEST AND MY CUSTOMERS GET TREATED BETTER THAN THAT !!!! i do not do work knowing that my clients will have to pay for me to come back and fix something that ive shouldve known better than to do. dont quote the scriptures if you are going to be dishonest please
    Not sure if this was pointed at me... however:

    What I was saying is; we all know that a fan motor in a condenser or HP will fail sooner or later... and the replacement is a repair...

    A PT stand is a part also... and will fail sooner or later... and need replacing. Just business to me.

    I do not see anything in this that would shed a bad light on a dealer or tech.... or am I missing something?
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    i know ive learned alot from just being on this site about all the installs in this country have ya'll ever thought about metal posts and a metal grid platform out of square tubing i know that would probably be expensive but customers might just like it. and it might not be to expensive if you were to prefab them at the shop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin&sonsa/c View Post
    i know ive learned alot from just being on this site about all the installs in this country have ya'll ever thought about metal posts and a metal grid platform out of square tubing i know that would probably be expensive but customers might just like it. and it might not be to expensive if you were to prefab them at the shop.
    Coastal Environment= Salt corrosion, most metal on the ocean only last's 5 yrs, and so do most heatpump's. My C/O rate is 5-10yrs on the O.D. units, and that's no crap. and that's 10 for a properly maintained,coils and unit washed and desalted every 6 months.

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    to ga-hvac-tech i just think thats whats wrong with alot of things in this industry its all about money and i agree we should be making money but not at the expence of good people if i do a job than its at the expectations of what i would want done at my home. if you ever do anything that you know will cause a customer to have to pay more money down the road directly from what you did than to me thats dishonest. remember people rely on us to do the best quality job we can possibly do. ill give you an example if i pour a concrete pad and i know its only 3in. and its not reinforced with anything and i know its going to crack over just a small amount of time than that is wrong and very dishonest. now if you do the same job and you have it atleast 4in thick and reinforced with WWF and you know its going to last than thats a honest quality job. its not all about making money

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    yea i keep on forgetting about the whole ocean thing lol. but than again why im i trying to suggest anything yall live there and im sure ya'll have tried just about everything there is. sorry

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    Quote Originally Posted by martin&sonsa/c View Post
    to ga-hvac-tech i just think thats whats wrong with alot of things in this industry its all about money and i agree we should be making money but not at the expence of good people if i do a job than its at the expectations of what i would want done at my home. if you ever do anything that you know will cause a customer to have to pay more money down the road directly from what you did than to me thats dishonest. remember people rely on us to do the best quality job we can possibly do. ill give you an example if i pour a concrete pad and i know its only 3in. and its not reinforced with anything and i know its going to crack over just a small amount of time than that is wrong and very dishonest. now if you do the same job and you have it atleast 4in thick and reinforced with WWF and you know its going to last than thats a honest quality job. its not all about making money
    I agree with you, I am a one-person shop that has mostly repeat customers...

    I do know that PT lumber will wear down eventually... so yes it would be a paying repair when it finally does loose its structural strength to hold a condenser or HP. (I just hope it gets called out before it fails and the unit is hanging from the lineset... )

    Scripture says to '...love your neighbor as yourself...' If I cheat my neighbor while I take good care of myself... do I love my neighbor? However: If I give away the farm... do I love myself? IMO it is a two way street... one that it appears to me is a place of balance that one grows into.

    When I started in business for myself (1979) doing home repair; I was too giving... and had a hard time paying the light bill. I learned to charge what was fair for my work, and as a result have enough income to warrant running a small business. After all: If I can make more $$$ driving a forklift at HD... why run a business?

    If you knew me, you would know I do NOT gouge my customers... Other than the cheapskates; most folks think I am a real bargain... even without the personal customer service.

    Happy New Year to you my friend... you are in the Great state of Texas, which was my home for many a year. May come back down there someday... especially if you guys secceed...
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    Nice looking install. Good looking metal work too! How does the Lennox Icomfort stat compare to the Carrier Infinity stat?

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    Quote Originally Posted by florida pe View Post
    Nice looking install. Good looking metal work too! How does the Lennox Icomfort stat compare to the Carrier Infinity stat?
    i really am the worst person to ask that considering i've only touched one infinity stat

    from my point of view, there are still things that need to be worked on with the icomfort but i know others who still say that about the infinity too and it's been around ALOT longer

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