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    Quote Originally Posted by jpsmith1cm View Post
    https://shop.rcbs.com/WebConnect/Mai...&route=C04J148

    I'm thinking this would probably be the best way to get what you want.

    My service manager shoots a 16 and he loads all of his own.

    The 'sweet 16' is just about dead anymore because in America, bigger is better.....
    I thought about reloading , but I don't shoot enough to cover the cost. Besides , I thought you needed to have spent shells before you could reload.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwalley View Post
    anything a 16 or 20 ga can do, a 12 ga can do better.
    20 gauge is what killed the 16

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwalley View Post
    a Colt 1911 Government model still is one of the best cqb weapons out there, either that or an 18" shotgun.
    I prefer the 1911 also... maybe a different brand than Colt... Lots of knock-down power!!! Kinda tuff to swing around a scatter-gun in close quarters (in one's home).

    My 1911 style Kimber 45 has 3 extra clips next to it, with jacketed HP's... Pity the perp that breaks in...

    Having said this; I really hope I do NOT have to take a life... but if necessary I have:
    The hardware,
    The training,
    And most important: I know an atty that specializes in handling this kind of case.

    The third one is VERY important... as one will get into a legal nitemare if they shoot someone (right or wrong shooting).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ga-hvac-tech View Post
    I prefer the 1911 also... maybe a different brand than Colt... Lots of knock-down power!!! Kinda tuff to swing around a scatter-gun in close quarters (in one's home).

    My 1911 style Kimber 45 has 3 extra clips next to it, with jacketed HP's... Pity the perp that breaks in...

    Having said this; I really hope I do NOT have to take a life... but if necessary I have:
    The hardware,
    The training,
    And most important: I know an atty that specializes in handling this kind of case.

    The third one is VERY important... as one will get into a legal nitemare if they shoot someone (right or wrong shooting).

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    Thumbs up My wife carries

    Quote Originally Posted by jpsmith1cm View Post
    Ever pattern one at close range?

    Doesn't matter if you're shooting 000 buck or #7 1/2 shot, it just blasts a big azz hole in stuff.


    Buckshot is no more effective than anything else at ranges seen during defensive use.

    Shotguns give a psychological edge to both the user AND the victim, but NO real advantage. Actually, there may be a tactical advantage to using a pistol rather than a shotgun simply because it can be handled easier in close quarters where even a short barrelled shotgun is a large weapon.
    A Judge as her truck gun. Pistol loaded with .410 000 buck shotshells. My close quarter weapon of choice is my brand new Draco AK47 pistol. Same gun as a rifle but no buttstock and shortened barrel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2cool4us View Post
    A Judge as her truck gun. Pistol loaded with .410 000 buck shotshells. My close quarter weapon of choice is my brand new Draco AK47 pistol. Same gun as a rifle but no buttstock and shortened barrel.
    For some reason, I'd be afraid of over penetration with an AK,or, a .45 for that matter. Unless you live in the country, that is.

    Maybe I'm just a bad shot but, for home defense, shot gun for me.

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    Good video John,

    I think anything I have that accepts a clip is too big to effectively use in the close quarters of a house... I prefer a handgun...

    Hope to spend some time over the holidays wasting some lead...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bwalley View Post
    anything a 16 or 20 ga can do, a 12 ga can do better.
    Actually, this is incorrect.

    The 16 and 28 gauge are better shotguns than the 12 and 20 ever can be.

    It has to do with shot column height to diameter ratio.

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    while your all arguing over bullet size. (bird shot is NOT a good home defense round)

    This guy has some great information on Penetration and caliber size

    http://www.theboxotruth.com/

    as for the the Kriss, go look at the "trouble shooting guide" lot of stuff made of plastic and other things that can break.

    I suspect there is going to be a lot of broken firearms out there
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmac00 View Post
    while your all arguing over bullet size. (bird shot is NOT a good home defense round)

    This guy has some great information on Penetration and caliber size

    http://www.theboxotruth.com/

    as for the the Kriss, go look at the "trouble shooting guide" lot of stuff made of plastic and other things that can break.

    I suspect there is going to be a lot of broken firearms out there
    That looks like a great web site. Thanks for the link

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    The only purpose for a pistol is to fight your way to the rifle... Period.

    I would take a 14.5" M4A3 rifle loaded with 55gr XM193, spare mag, Reflex red dot sight, and a good weapon light over any other gun in the world.

    My advice, pick a reliable platform with a proven caliber and get comfortable with it because come show time your life will depend on it.

    Shotguns are OK but rifles are way better and can hold a much larger capacity of firepower.
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    If any of you are seriously interested in a crash course in wound ballistics, FBI independent testing procedures for ammunition, the best CCW ammunition, bullet penetration, weight retention, and expansion....

    Please read the link below. It was put together by some very smart people in the industry and the good folks at AR15.com.

    http://ammo.ar15.com/project/Self_De..._FAQ/index.htm
    UA LU189

    10mm, because it's better than .45acp

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