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Thread: Reliable Controls
02-23-2005, 02:27 PM #1
Has anyone used or installed any reliable controls? just wanted some comments about them.
02-23-2005, 04:33 PM #2
probably the easiest programming and user interface I ever used.
Be careful and be ready for software/firmware updates, there will be many as these guys are switching over from reliable protocol to BACnet protocol at the device level as well as workstation software.
Also be aware that all code for the controller is battery backed, so if you loose the battery, you loose the code, which means you have to download into the controller again.
I am more used to loosing only the clock when battery is gone not the code.
Good guys to work with, support is good.
If you are selling interoperability, LON is still way ahead.
02-25-2005, 09:27 PM #3Professional Member
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How much is out there. Haven't seen any in this area.
02-26-2005, 10:09 AM #4
We were a rep for them for a period of time but weren't bidding the plan/spec market so they pulled out and went looking elsewhere. The hardware is priced right and support is good. The programming is not canned. You write a program for every application. I can't believe that a third party or old dealer out there isn't selling programs for their products though. But we never found them. Brand recognition was our main problem with them. They're big in Canada and the northwest US but no one has heard of them outside of there.
02-27-2005, 02:03 PM #5
Reliable made the Kreuter/KMC multinet controller for years and developed there control basic program. There is alot of it installed here and when commissioned properly with a good system design works like a tank.
03-04-2005, 03:29 PM #6
Seaboard never thought about selling my programs how much can you get for them? I thought most of them had some sort of canned programs that you could adapt and if you wanted to use basic then you could write your own.
03-04-2005, 08:27 PM #7
We sold Novar Logic One before getting into Reliable Controls so we were used to canned programming and simply setting setpoints and assigning schedules. The hardware for the most part is for specific applications and there is some hardware for generic use (just your good ole' inputs and outputs).
The reliable controls were different because you wrote a program in Basic for every damn thing you wanted to happen. I guess it would take a couple of hours to write a program for a single stage system! This was completely foriegn to us. They recommended you hire a college student or some cheap labor to sit down all day and write the programs. We just thought that they had to know of an existing dealer that had labeled his program files and would be able to resell them but that never materialized. They wanted us to bid their controls in the plan & spec market and it just wasn't feasible. "Other comparable" doesn't include a product line nobody on the East Coast has ever heard of.
Now you made me think of something that is going to bug me until I get an answer. This guy was from British Columbia and he was describing how to properly tie some wires together and told us "you just screw them together with a _______." We were all writing that down and wondering what the heck he was talking about with puzzled looks on our faces and then he said "Oh, you guys call them wirenuts. OK you canucks, what was the word he used? I can't remember and it's going to drive me crazy.
03-05-2005, 01:53 AM #8Professional Member
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