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    Quote Originally Posted by coolwhip View Post
    This is a problem!

    You should care, because this defines them as a person. You should also care what religion they are and what secret fraternal orders they belong to. Most of all, they better be a natural born citizen for them to run for office.

    A queer president will favor queers in the white house and soon, all of DC will smell like arss.
    Please note my reply to Mr. Bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fixacr View Post
    You're reading a little too much into my statement. I did not say that I think a gay person would be a good President. I personally believe exactly the opposite. My point is that Carter's statement seems to imply that we should elect someone because he/she is gay. If that is what he meant, then I could not disagree more.
    I wonder if this will be the next "part of history" election?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Bill View Post
    Before Jimmy Carter was elected, he claimed to be a committed witness for Christ, and I believe, a devout Baptist. I may have voted for him...I can't remember.

    He has evolved, or "Came out" himself as a raging anti-Christ super-liberal. He has made it clear that he detests Israel, and sides with their enemies at every opportunity; and now this foolishness.

    He has embraced every Socialist agenda that he could chime in on with liberal rhetoric that is simply Marxist nonsense. We've elected some stinkers, and some incompetents, as President, but Jimmy Carter may take the cake for the biggest flip flop away from the evangelical claims, to Marxism as a religion.[He almost sunk the economy..]

    He's lost his mind, or at best, his conscience.
    Yeah he has meta-morph from seemingly Christian with principles (don't believe he ever was one) into an anti American anti Christ who doing all he can do to hurt the country that elected him president like a vicious zealot who can't stop trash talking our country and what we stand for. Thank you, thank you very much
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    It seems that it's easy to get these "firsts" out of the way but generally we haven't followed them up with a second.

    We've had one gay president.
    We've had one atheist president.
    We've had one Catholic president.
    We've had one black president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BACnet View Post
    It seems that it's easy to get these "firsts" out of the way but generally we haven't followed them up with a second.

    We've had one gay president.
    We've had one atheist president.
    We've had one Catholic president.
    We've had one black president.
    Hey you left a one out. How about a two for one: a Marxist and Muslim president. Well it could be argued that we have had two Marxist presidents. FDR sure fit the bill. Thank you, thank you very much
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    "I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution."
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    Quote Originally Posted by BACnet View Post
    It seems that it's easy to get these "firsts" out of the way but generally we haven't followed them up with a second.

    We've had one gay president.
    Nope. If you are thinking of Buchannan, there is nothing to prove or even insinuate that he was a homosexual. Just because a man shares a home with another man who is considered his lifelong friend and companion does not mean they are homosexuals. I lived for three months with another man in Cayman. So what?
    We've had one atheist president.
    Nope. If you are thinking of Taft or Jefferson, you are wrong. They were accused of being atheist's during their campaign's, but both have stated they believe in a Supreme Being and both have been affiliated with Christian churches.
    We've had one Catholic president.
    Yep; Kennedy
    We've had one black president.
    Nope. Barak Hussein Obama is many things, but he is not really a Black man. At the best Obama can be considered Malata or High Yellow, but with a very White mother, Obama is not really a Black man. Unless you are thinking of Bill Clinton, who claimed he was the first Black president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Nope. If you are thinking of Buchannan, there is nothing to prove or even insinuate that he was a homosexual. Just because a man shares a home with another man who is considered his lifelong friend and companion does not mean they are homosexuals. I lived for three months with another man in Cayman. So what?Nope. If you are thinking of Taft or Jefferson, you are wrong. They were accused of being atheist's during their campaign's, but both have stated they believe in a Supreme Being and both have been affiliated with Christian churches.Yep; KennedyNope. Barak Hussein Obama is many things, but he is not really a Black man. At the best Obama can be considered Malata or High Yellow, but with a very White mother, Obama is not really a Black man. Unless you are thinking of Bill Clinton, who claimed he was the first Black president.
    Obama is a chameleon, he will take on the color that best advantages him. He is a crafty devil.

    Carter was all about timing. His message struck a cord at the right point in history. He was a lightweight though, and his flame was soon extinguished.

    Barry got in office much the same way, but he is much more corrupt and manipulative than Carter dreamed of being. He will be tough to defeat.

    As far as the gay issue, I would see it as one factor in taking the measure of a man rather than as a single issue to disqualify him from consideration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Nope. If you are thinking of Buchannan, there is nothing to prove or even insinuate that he was a homosexual. Just because a man shares a home with another man who is considered his lifelong friend and companion does not mean they are homosexuals. I lived for three months with another man in Cayman. So what?

    Nope. If you are thinking of Taft or Jefferson, you are wrong. They were accused of being atheist's during their campaign's, but both have stated they believe in a Supreme Being and both have been affiliated with Christian churches.

    Yep; Kennedy

    Nope. Barak Hussein Obama is many things, but he is not really a Black man. At the best Obama can be considered Malata or High Yellow, but with a very White mother, Obama is not really a Black man. Unless you are thinking of Bill Clinton, who claimed he was the first Black president.
    1) Living with a roomate for a period of time is not the same as having a life-partner like Buchanan.

    2) Perhaps you have not read the Jefferson Bible. While he did appreciate the teachings of Christ, he completely rejected the concept of god. He even went so far as to cut all references to the supernatural out of his personal copy of the bible. He was to my knowledge the only atheist founding father although of course there may have been others.

    3) It's interesting to me that Kennedy fought to be elected despite being a Catholic. At the time people were concerned that he'd take direction from the Pope instead of looking out for our country. In recent elections we have seen a Mormon (which I most certainly do not consider to be Christian) running for office. Even though he seems to be on the ball, I would not vote for him for his religious perversions alone. (Who knows though, perhaps in 2 years we'll have a fifth bullet point in this thread).

    For the record, I am not one who reveres Kennedy. I will never forget the Bay of Pigs and I still assume that that's the reason he was put down.

    4) Sure I realize that BA is not 100% black, but let's give him some slack on that matter. Most black folks in this country aren't 100% black, that doesn't mean that they don't self-identify with the dominant genes dictating their skin color.

    Also- I find it interesting that the first "black" US president has absolutely zero family history of slavery. Perhaps we'll have another "milestone" when a slave descendant is made president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BACnet View Post
    1) Living with a roomate for a period of time is not the same as having a life-partner like Buchanan.
    Unless you have something indicating those two men were sexually involved with one another, and you can't because nothing of the kind exists, then calling Buchannan a homosexual is only your unsubstantiated opinion. In fact, if you cannot understand that two men can cohabitate without being homosexuals, you may some tendencies toward other men yourself.

    2) Perhaps you have not read the Jefferson Bible. While he did appreciate the teachings of Christ, he completely rejected the concept of god. He even went so far as to cut all references to the supernatural out of his personal copy of the bible. He was to my knowledge the only atheist founding father although of course there may have been others.
    So you are claiming...without any support. No historian considers Jefferson an atheist. All historian's consider Jefferson a Deist. Jefferson also supported his wife's Christianity enough to have started a church for her.

    3) It's interesting to me that Kennedy fought to be elected despite being a Catholic. At the time people were concerned that he'd take direction from the Pope instead of looking out for our country. In recent elections we have seen a Mormon (which I most certainly do not consider to be Christian) running for office. Even though he seems to be on the ball, I would not vote for him for his religious perversions alone. (Who knows though, perhaps in 2 years we'll have a fifth bullet point in this thread).

    For the record, I am not one who reveres Kennedy. I will never forget the Bay of Pigs and I still assume that that's the reason he was put down.
    Well, we agree on one of the several reasons Kennedy was killed.

    4) Sure I realize that BA is not 100% black, but let's give him some slack on that matter. Most black folks in this country aren't 100% black, that doesn't mean that they don't self-identify with the dominant genes dictating their skin color.

    Also- I find it interesting that the first "black" US president has absolutely zero family history of slavery. Perhaps we'll have another "milestone" when a slave descendant is made president.
    Even though I did not want Obama to become president and I felt that Obama would be a terrible president, I still felt some exhileration in living during such a major event as the U.S. electing a person of color to the presidency. Then Obama got Black. The man could have united Americans racially by being a man of "ALL" of the people. Instead, Obama chose to be Black. In doing so, Obama divided the American people by race more then any Klan member of White Supremist could have ever done. For that alone, I cannot forgive Obama.
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    On your Buchanan point- I find it hard to believe that a homo[sexual] can only be considered a homo in your eyes if he acts physically upon it. That's like saying that you and I weren't straight until after we got laid for the first time- I disagree with this logic entirely. Choosing not to get married and instead to live with a male "life partner" makes him gay from where I'm standing. Perhaps you set the bar higher for what makes someone gay but I for one don't.

    On your second point- I will concede that even though Jefferson has been openly called an atheist since 1775, the term deist is probably a better fit. But again, that's splitting hairs in my opinion. The difference between an atheist and a deist is that a deist believes that the big bang was a result of an outside supernatural force and an atheist believes it was a natural force. That's literally the only difference.

    On the other hand, the differences between a deist and a theist are vast. A deist doesn't believe in heaven or hell or any sort of afterlife. A deist doesn't believe that there is anyone listening to prayers. A deist doesn't believe in miracles. A deist doesn't believe that there is any meaning to life.

    So while you may be correct that Jefferson was indeed a deist, I don't think that diminishes the potency of the 235 straight years of people calling him an atheist. It's a splitting of the hairs at best.

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    You guys sure waste a lot of time with drawn out statements of how gays bother you.


    Haven't yet had one bother me. Make me laugh? Sure they have, but most people do that!!!


    If we had a gay president you guys wouldn't know any different. What if he did a good job? Then what could you say??


    Bunch of homophobes on here.....waste your energy on something worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seatonheating View Post
    You guys sure waste a lot of time with drawn out statements of how gays bother you.


    Haven't yet had one bother me. Make me laugh? Sure they have, but most people do that!!!


    If we had a gay president you guys wouldn't know any different. What if he did a good job? Then what could you say??


    Bunch of homophobes on here.....waste your energy on something worth it.
    You chastise them for their remarks, and then you call them names (homophobe)?

    Better take that plank out of your eye.

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