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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Racer View Post
    Roy,

    Sorry to bust your bubble, but there are not enough rare earth metals in existence to replace ICE cars with EV's:

    Life expectancy of these vehicles is only 6-7 years


    From http://www.etcgreen.com/blog/general...not-our-future

    Looks like ethanol from algae might be the most feasible long-term bet, after natural gas is depleted.

    I dont have a bubble to burst, what I know is grounded in facts. The statement above of a life expectency of 6-7 years is ridicules, I'm not even going to address it.

    A Thundersky cell at this time has a life expectency of at least 3000 cycles to 80% of its capacity. And if you keep away from the top and bottom of such a cell and only charge and discharge 75% or less of such cell, such a cell can last over 5000 cycles or more, who knows, they havent been around long enough to see their end of life cycle. The data from all who have such cells in vehicles at this time, shows that the life cycle data provided is correct, and may be even understated.

    I also stated in my post that EV's will not replace all ICE vehicles for obvious reason. But their is absolutly no reason, that such vehicles can not replace over 50% of ICE vehicles, since a large amount of ICE usage is local with low milage.

    There is no reason that a EV could not outlast any ICE vehicle, for no other reasons than the shear simplicty of an EV drive system. Also energy storage system in the future will be a lot better, and new systems of storage are being worked on, as we speak. Maxwell produces super capacitors, who will have a lifetime of over 1 million cycles.

    I gave some links that are well worth looking at, you will see that plain DYI'ers are already converting to electric with very good results. The EV industrie is still in its infancy, but making large strides every day, but I'm sorry to say that our Detroit automobile industries is not the solution at this time, they are the problem.

    Keep an eye on Tesla, its the future of how we will transport ourselfs, its not a bubble, its fact.

    Roy
    "The perfect Totalitarian State is one where the political bosses, and their army of managers, control a population of slaves, who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude"

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    Quote Originally Posted by royc View Post
    This country desperately needs to make an effort to get away from fossil fuel as much as possible. I don't know about you, but I don't want my money going over there.
    I resent that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    I resent that.
    Should I care ???




    Roy
    "The perfect Totalitarian State is one where the political bosses, and their army of managers, control a population of slaves, who do not have to be coerced, because they love their servitude"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Racer View Post
    http://jonova.s3.amazonaws.com/clima...ine_banner.pdf

    The banner across the top displays the evidence. Use the magnifier to enlarge it. The pages below it are footnotes.
    Four (4) independent investigations found no evidence of fraud, manipulation of data, hiding of data, or scientific misconduct.


    Case Closed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by geerair View Post
    Four (4) independent investigations found no evidence of fraud, manipulation of data, hiding of data, or scientific misconduct.


    Case Closed.
    You make us laugh geer. Your case has been closed for a long time. You have none except from your lying government paid scientists who will say whatever you want for the generous grant money and fame.

    Give us a break. Go peddle that hog wash somewhere else. You can take your so called "independent" studies with their "government" money and feed it to the socialist teachers who use to to try and wash more government indoctrinated students. Thank you, thank you very much
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    You make us laugh geer. Your case has been closed for a long time. You have none except from your lying government paid scientists who will say whatever you want for the generous grant money and fame.

    Give us a break. Go peddle that hog wash somewhere else. You can take your so called "independent" studies with their "government" money and feed it to the socialist teachers who use to to try and wash more government indoctrinated students. Thank you, thank you very much
    That creek down the block from me still has open water on it. Nobody can recall that happening before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    You make us laugh geer. Your case has been closed for a long time. You have none except from your lying government paid scientists who will say whatever you want for the generous grant money and fame.

    Give us a break. Go peddle that hog wash somewhere else. You can take your so called "independent" studies with their "government" money and feed it to the socialist teachers who use to to try and wash more government indoctrinated students. Thank you, thank you very much
    Wow!!!!!

    So the KKK has classes on Climatology as well as Evolution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by royc View Post
    I dont have a bubble to burst, what I know is grounded in facts. The statement above of a life expectency of 6-7 years is ridicules, I'm not even going to address it.

    A Thundersky cell at this time has a life expectency of at least 3000 cycles to 80% of its capacity. And if you keep away from the top and bottom of such a cell and only charge and discharge 75% or less of such cell, such a cell can last over 5000 cycles or more, who knows, they havent been around long enough to see their end of life cycle. The data from all who have such cells in vehicles at this time, shows that the life cycle data provided is correct, and may be even understated.

    I also stated in my post that EV's will not replace all ICE vehicles for obvious reason. But their is absolutly no reason, that such vehicles can not replace over 50% of ICE vehicles, since a large amount of ICE usage is local with low milage.

    There is no reason that a EV could not outlast any ICE vehicle, for no other reasons than the shear simplicty of an EV drive system. Also energy storage system in the future will be a lot better, and new systems of storage are being worked on, as we speak. Maxwell produces super capacitors, who will have a lifetime of over 1 million cycles.

    I gave some links that are well worth looking at, you will see that plain DYI'ers are already converting to electric with very good results. The EV industrie is still in its infancy, but making large strides every day, but I'm sorry to say that our Detroit automobile industries is not the solution at this time, they are the problem.

    Keep an eye on Tesla, its the future of how we will transport ourselfs, its not a bubble, its fact.

    Roy
    I looked at your links and they are interesting. There are also some great videos on youtube, such as
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzFkn5X6_5M (Nissan Leaf)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QwiS4t8TMlI (Tango vs. Tesla drag race)

    While the technology is terrific and always improving, and it will be fantastic to eliminate oil (esp foreign oil) from our diet, the mineral resources available for the current technology will soon be exhausted if EV's become popular.

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    CRUD = Contamination Resulting in Undesirable Deposits.
    CRAPP = Contamination Resulting in Additional Partial Pressure.

    Change your vacuum pump oil now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by geerair View Post
    Wow!!!!!

    So the KKK has classes on Climatology as well as Evolution.
    OK geer you have had your fun slandering me with false accusations. Now please share with us what ever info you have that would lead you to say that I am in the KKK or have attended classes by them otherwise I respectively request you stop and desist all false accusations against me.

    Now for the record I am not a member of the KKK or one of the various factions thereof. I have gathered my intimate knowledge of past events from newspapers, books, news broadcasts and personal knowledge. My memory while not perfect is excellent.

    Like I said you don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand what is happening to our country all it requires is some common sense and be devoid of the disease of PC and not be a true believer in the evil of socialism and communism.

    Funny you can't argue your case so you slander the messenger with false accusations, typical liberal tactic. Thank you, thank you very much
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