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    http://www.consumerreports.org/main/...=1108609516493

    Looking at the chart at first is surprising,
    Then reading the fine print below the chart.
    Makes it look like the bad units are the last 2.
    Tempstar and Goodman are the only ones over 20

    It said anything less then a 5 pt difference was not meaningful. So if you compare the goodman to tempstar then it's not meaningful.
    If you try to fail, and succeed.
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    The graph makes the differences look greater than they really are, they only show a third the length of the scale.
    Why are AS and Trane so different when they're made by the same people?
    How did they know they weren't affected by installation?
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    A/S is to Trane like Payne is to Bryant. Yes A/S is made by Trane but is lower quality, less expensive equipment.

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    ductdr, Trane and A/S are made on the same production line and have the same controls. How is A/S lower quality. They have a "SCABS only" brand called Ameristar. But, they have the same controls in them too.
    If it ain't broke don't fix it!!

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    By the way American Standard makes Trane,not the other way around.Read your fliers.
    If it ain't broke don't fix it!!

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    Originally posted by duct dr
    A/S is to Trane like Payne is to Bryant. Yes A/S is made by Trane but is lower quality, less expensive equipment.
    Horsehockey. Furnaces are 100% identical, outdoor units are the same components in a different cabinet.

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    Horsehockey, the man said.
    it sounds like the whole study was Horsehockey. the only way to compare the equipment is to put it in identical conditions. the fact that the same furnace with 2 different names has a different rating proves my point. goodman will always be at the bottom of the list, but not because of the equipment. the fact is, the lower priced equipment will always have higher failure rates due to install problems. the big majority of this equipment is put in by the low bidder. low bidders will give you an install of lesser quality, resulting in future problems.
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    Originally posted by tlcartman
    the fact is, the lower priced equipment will always have higher failure rates due to install problems. the big majority of this equipment is put in by the low bidder. low bidders will give you an install of lesser quality, resulting in future problems. [/B]
    Excellent point. The dealers that let price be their one and only motivator, will always seek out the low end. And, not only in product but service, workmanship, etc. What is ironic about the mandates in efficiency, it is going to create a higher $ market, no doubt, and these "bottom feeders" may actually have to compete on "our level." I say, "come on guys, but be ready to clean up your acts!" If they are on our playing field, but can't perform, they won't last.

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    Data are based on 36,181 central furnaces installed between 1997 and 2004; differences of less than 5 points are not meaningful. Data have been standardized to account for higher use in colder climates and differences in age; repairs to thermostats only were not counted as repairs. Note that models within a brand may vary. Our data cannot always anticipate design or manufacturing changes.

    In other words,
    Data is based on 36,181 phone calls to customers with furnaces installed between 1997-2004
    Differenced ot less than 5 points are not ACCURATE (+-5%)
    Data has been altered to account for use in different climates. (Which means if one brand is sold largely in a southern climate, then they have changed the data due to lower use)

    It is not accurate for ALL brands......


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    hmmmm,maybe the owners of goodman equipment dont have there units serviced as much as trane or the others.it cost money to have them serviced

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    Once consumer report rated a particular Carrier window unit ( model 51NT706-1) ITS BEST BUY , that was probably the worst year I ever had in this industry, the unit was the biggest P.O.S ever, it had a slide open grill that fell off ever time you opened it, the knobs fell off when you adjusted the temp or speed, the thermostats would not call for cooling, we could not get replacement parts from Mexico because they were all going into production units, the DOA rate was close to 4% out of the box, it was along time ago but since then I do not rely on consumer reports opinion very much. I do not think this report is very enlightening if you read between the lines.

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    Last time I check, and I do often, American Standard is what's known as a contractor grade. In my opion thats not as good. I looked at a 3 ton A/S straight cool unit and a Trane 3 ton straight cool, both 10 SEER models, guess what...they had different compressors. Dont mean to step on toes or offend anyone, this is just My opinion.

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    I sell Rheem and have sold Heil. I got better warranty labor coverage on Heil.
    Be safe not fast. body parts don't grow back

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