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    Confused Good contractor found (NATE/BPI), but need 2nd opinion on Trane or Coleman. Thank you

    My parents have a two story home in North New Jersey, ~2250 sq. ft. living space (1500 top/750 ground floor) built 1982 with central heating. The A/C was added in 83 and both need to be replaced. After months of searching, I finally found a good contractor who is willing to do a Manual J and a static pressure test.

    His recommendation:

    Trane
    Furnace: XV95 (2 stage)
    Condenser: XR15

    or

    Coleman
    Furnace: CP9C (Modulating)
    Condenser: TCJF

    Thermostat: Vision Pro 8000 or IAQ
    Media Air Cleaner: Honeywell F100
    New refrigerant lines
    Other miscellaneous items

    Same price for both systems.

    He recommends the Trane due to the increased reliability of the XR15 over the TCJF and it would reach 16 SEER, qualifying for the full COOLADVANTAGE rebate.

    My questions are:

    1. Which is the more reliable furnace based on your experience, insider knowledge, etc.?

    2. Which is the more reliable A/C based on your experience, insider knowledge, etc.?

    3. Which company's coils are better constructed/reliable?

    4. Would a modulating furnace with a VS blower be problematic with the older ductwork or if additional supplies/returns need to be added?

    5. Is the F100 necessary to filter out dust and pollen or is the regular furnace filter sufficient?

    6. Based on my research on this forum I've decided on the IAQ for its ability to slow down the blower but is it a reliable stat?

    Thank you for your time and for helping out an HVAC novice.

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    I was a Trane dealer so you know what my first reaction is.
    That is not the point though,the contractor you pick is the point.Go with his advise.
    I think that with the effenciency of the newer equipment everyone should go with a much better filtering system to protect the equipment

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    Thanks for the response. I am leaning towards the Trane myself but I am just not sure which would be the more reliable system overall. I have been lied too by so many unscrupulous HVAC installers. Anyway, I value the advice given by contributors on this forum.

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    I was wondering if the modulating furnace would help close the temperature gap between the two floors? In the summer the downstairs is cooler while in the winter the upstairs is warmer?

    Thanks

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    Get the VisionPro IAQ or Prestige HD IAQ thermostat. They have more settings to control your system better.

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    I guess before Nate and BPI ever arrived on the scene, all previous installations in this Country just really sucked, no one had a clue. I just don't understand, I guess some folks just like to pay more money for certifications, because no doubt, no one without these certifications has a clue, that would be like, what? 98% of the rest of us.
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    Twilly says Rheem.
    No Heat No Cool You need Action Fast

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    Quote Originally Posted by Twilly View Post
    Twilly says Rheem.

    Mr. Bill says, it's getting cold in Houston, can Twilly please turn that dang fan around, were good now.
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    Bill, I agree certification is meaningless if the contractor is incompetent and by no means did I limit myself to contractors that were certified by whatever.

    Twilly, I'd love to go Rheem but none of my Rheem estimates were willing to size the furnace properly. They just seamed to pull out a random number ranging from 80,000 to 100,000 btu based on experience.

    So I have to chose between the aforementioned Trane and Coleman systems.

    Thanks for your input though.

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    I agree, the right contractor is most important. Of the two brands you are considering, I prefer Trane over Coleman and your contractor is recommending Trane.

    What Size furnace and A/C is he bidding you?
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    The statement below is my signature and just my overall feeling towards our industry and does not necessarily pertain to you nor this thread.


    There really isn't a legitimate excuse for not doing the job correctly!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sebas View Post
    Twilly, I'd love to go Rheem but none of my Rheem estimates were willing to size the furnace properly. They just seamed to pull out a random number ranging from 80,000 to 100,000 btu based on experience.

    So I have to chose between the aforementioned Trane and Coleman systems.
    Heck just use the Manual J you already have, and give the sizes to the Rheem guy, seems like everyone else does this, it just happened to us. It's getting nasty out yonder, even the reputable folks here are cutting throats, must be a lot of starving businesses out there. Maybe they should not hire so many techs during the summer, and they would not have to worry about keeping everyone feed in the winter, by crooked business practices. Just venting, I am done now.
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    Bill, I wouldn't do that to a good contractor, if I can find one. I'm an honest guy. Guess where I finish? lol Anyway, the contractor will only do a load calc if he gets the job. He explained to me that its time consuming and there's nothing stopping me from doing what you described. I appreciated his candor. Another, carrier contractor offered to do a load calc for a deposit that would be credited toward the install. When push came to shove I get a one page printout dated several years back telling me to measure my windows and which direction my house faces then return it to him. Originally, he wanted to do the calc after the install lol. Luckily I was able to cancel the check.

    Tech, If memory serves he thought a 3 ton would do the job, not sure about furnace, but would go down to 2.5 if load calc called for it.

    Thanks guys

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    Twilly says Rheem 45,000 60,000 75,000 90,000 105,000 120,000. Twilly says you need 75,000.
    No Heat No Cool You need Action Fast

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