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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    How do you figure that that line from Mark Twain is liberal? In fact, Mark Twain was more of a Renaissance man who cannot be labeled liberal or conservative exclusively. No matter, Glenn's sig line is certainly not a liberal remark.

    You know why there are more alleged liberals then there are alleged conservatives? Because liberals latch on to anything a person says or does that may be liberal bent and despite all everything else about that person not being liberal, will claim that that person is in the liberal camp. In contrast, a far to the right conservative will not consider anyone who says or does one thing that is liberal bent a conservative, no matter how conservative they are otherwise.
    True and to show my great altruism for my fellow man pagey here. I am offering pagey a good avatar and quote (Karl Marx) to go with his "liberal" persona. Check this out. Enjoy Thank you, thank you very much

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    "I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution."
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    You know darned well that right now you are searching the web for the most liberal avatar you can find that will be offensive to the South. Let me help you out;
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    One....two....three....ring, ring.....Hey Glenn! What's new?
    That's a low blow (pun intended) there robo. I will work on one for you also. Thank you very much.
    "I could have ended the war in a month. I could have made North Vietnam look like a mud puddle."
    "I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them. It is not to inaugurate new programs, but to cancel old ones that do violence to the Constitution."
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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    That's a low blow (pun intended) there robo. I will work on one for you also. Thank you very much.
    Here's a nice little Southern Belle to wave that little ole flag at;


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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    How do you figure that that line from Mark Twain is liberal? In fact, Mark Twain was more of a Renaissance man who cannot be labeled liberal or conservative exclusively. No matter, Glenn's sig line is certainly not a liberal remark.

    You know why there are more alleged liberals then there are alleged conservatives? Because liberals latch on to anything a person says or does that may be liberal bent and despite all everything else about that person not being liberal, will claim that that person is in the liberal camp. In contrast, a far to the right conservative will not consider anyone who says or does one thing that is liberal bent a conservative, no matter how conservative they are otherwise.
    Twain was vice-president of the American Anti-Imperialist League.

    Twain wrote glowingly about unions in the riverboating industry in Life on the Mississippi, which was read in union halls decades later. He supported the labor movement, especially one of the most important unions, the Knights of Labor. In a speech to them, he said:

    "Who are the oppressors? The few: the King, the capitalist, and a handful of other overseers and superintendents. Who are the oppressed? The many: the nations of the earth; the valuable personages; the workers; they that make the bread that the soft-handed and idle eat."

    Mark Twain was a staunch supporter of women's rights and an active campaigner for women's suffrage. His "Votes for Women" speech, in which he pressed for the granting of voting rights to women, is considered one of the most famous in history.

    In his later travelogue Following the Equator (1897), Twain observes that in colonized lands all over the world, "savages" have always been wronged by "whites" in the most merciless ways, such as "robbery, humiliation, and slow, slow murder, through poverty and the white man's whiskey"; his conclusion is that "there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages".


    Twain wrote a short pacifist story entitled The War Prayer, which makes the point that humanism and Christianity's preaching of love are incompatible with the conduct of war.

    I won't go into his thoughts on religion that would be piling on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    Twain was vice-president of the American Anti-Imperialist League.

    Twain wrote glowingly about unions in the riverboating industry in Life on the Mississippi, which was read in union halls decades later. He supported the labor movement, especially one of the most important unions, the Knights of Labor. In a speech to them, he said:

    "Who are the oppressors? The few: the King, the capitalist, and a handful of other overseers and superintendents. Who are the oppressed? The many: the nations of the earth; the valuable personages; the workers; they that make the bread that the soft-handed and idle eat."

    Mark Twain was a staunch supporter of women's rights and an active campaigner for women's suffrage. His "Votes for Women" speech, in which he pressed for the granting of voting rights to women, is considered one of the most famous in history.

    In his later travelogue Following the Equator (1897), Twain observes that in colonized lands all over the world, "savages" have always been wronged by "whites" in the most merciless ways, such as "robbery, humiliation, and slow, slow murder, through poverty and the white man's whiskey"; his conclusion is that "there are many humorous things in this world; among them the white man's notion that he is less savage than the other savages".


    Twain wrote a short pacifist story entitled The War Prayer, which makes the point that humanism and Christianity's preaching of love are incompatible with the conduct of war.

    I won't go into his thoughts on religion that would be piling on.
    You just proved my point that the leftist will only recognize a person for his or her liberal views and not the person as a whole. I think this is more of a fair view of Mark Twain;
    Part of the difficulty of understanding Mark Twain's political outlook is due to terminology and the tendency of politics to corrupt the meaning of everything. As often as you see him called a liberal, he is called a conservative, and sometimes both in the same breath. Critics puzzle about how one person could be champion of workers, owners, and the capitalist rich, while holding views that are antigovernment on domestic matters, antislavery, and antiwar. They often conclude that his politics are incoherent.
    http://mises.org/daily/4060
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    You just proved my point that the leftist will only recognize a person for his or her liberal views and not the person as a whole. I think this is more of a fair view of Mark Twain; http://mises.org/daily/4060
    RoBo if people even today echo many of those thoughts they would be called socialists by many here.

    You quote from a libertarian group whose economic theories are outside the mainstream. And they do what most conservatives do, and that is to try and co-opt liberals and their legacies. Plus their depiction of him is far from the truth. He was not a champion of the capitalist rich.

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    Oh fiddle dee dee, give it a rest you libby. The biggest problems with liberals is they always have to try to turn something against someone--regardless of what it is.

    I say "Glorious day the sun is shinning" and the Liberal says "Thank a liberal". yadda yadda yadda. Go pop some popcorn and wait for the sun to rise or something. So you can take credit for it....
    Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

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    Even with Mark Twain being pretty much a grumpy old pessimist all of his life;
    My idea of our civilization is that it is a shoddy, poor thing and full of cruelties, vanities, arrogances, meannesses and hypocrisies.
    - Mark Twain, a Biography
    He still had sensible views as a classical liberal, which is more of a slightly right of center moderate of today. No leftist of today will be caught dead quoting this from Mark Twain;
    “The mania for giving the Government power to meddle with the private affairs of cities or citizens is likely to cause endless trouble … & there is great danger that our people will lose that independence of thought & action which is the cause of much of our greatness, & sink into the helplessness of the Frenchman or German who expects his government to feed him when hungry, clothe him when naked … &, in time, to regulate every act of humanity from the cradle to the tomb, including the manner in which he may seek future admission to paradise.”
    ~Mark Twain~
    So, the bottom line is that you leftist Socialists cannot have Mark Twain all to yourselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrs reb77 View Post
    Oh fiddle dee dee, give it a rest you libby. The biggest problems with liberals is they always have to try to turn something against someone--regardless of what it is.

    I say "Glorious day the sun is shinning" and the Liberal says "Thank a liberal". yadda yadda yadda. Go pop some popcorn and wait for the sun to rise or something. So you can take credit for it....
    What on Earth are you talking about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Even with Mark Twain being pretty much a grumpy old pessimist all of his life; He still had sensible views as a classical liberal, which is more of a slightly right of center moderate of today. No leftist of today will be caught dead quoting this from Mark Twain; So, the bottom line is that you leftist Socialists cannot have Mark Twain all to yourselves.
    You are really grasping at straws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    RoBo if people even today echo many of those thoughts they would be called socialists by many here.

    You quote from a libertarian group whose economic theories are outside the mainstream. And they do what most conservatives do, and that is to try and co-opt liberals and their legacies. Plus their depiction of him is far from the truth. He was not a champion of the capitalist rich.
    This tangent is not part of our discussion. I am not interested in how you justify everything you think. I think a lot like Mark Twain did and I am condemned by the extremists of both sides of this ridiculous contest that was devised by conservative and liberal elitists alike.

    To be only a conservative or only a liberal is to be a jackass. To claim you are only one of the other is an absolute trap that will prove either to be hypocrites.

    I don't agree with everything that Mark Twain wrote, but I trust his writings because he wasn't a jackass who had become so stubborn that he would only see all issues from one standpoint no matter how ridiculous that standpoint may be. Both staunch conservatives and staunch liberals do exactly that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    This tangent is not part of our discussion. I am not interested in how you justify everything you think. I think a lot like Mark Twain did and I am condemned by the extremists of both sides of this ridiculous contest that was devised by conservative and liberal elitists alike.

    To be only a conservative or only a liberal is to be a jackass. To claim you are only one of the other is an absolute trap that will prove either to be hypocrites.

    I don't agree with everything that Mark Twain wrote, but I trust his writings because he wasn't a jackass who had become so stubborn that he would only see all issues from one standpoint no matter how ridiculous that standpoint may be. Both staunch conservatives and staunch liberals do exactly that.

    RoBo I don't care about your thought processes either.

    Who and where are the condemnations from the right? Maybe on some religious matters lol but where else? You managed to throw in elitist in with liberal, good one.

    Very few people are totally liberal or totally conservative yet can be easily described as one or the other. If Mark Twain was alive today with these views he would be condemned as a liberal on this website.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    What on Earth are you talking about?
    I'm talking about your propensity to misstate the obvious and try to obfuscate every thread with your liberal views.
    Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

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