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    Quote Originally Posted by smittyii View Post
    ...bent on expanding government and redistributing wealth. that my friend is the difference between a LIBERAL and a SOCIALIST.
    I like the distinction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smittyii View Post
    expanding government and redistributing wealth. that my friend is the difference between a LIBERAL and a SOCIALIST.


    "Taxes should be proportioned to what may be annually spared by
    the individual." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1784.


    This is the basis of a progressive income tax. Usually referred to as the redistribution of wealth by conservatives. We have had a progressive income tax since its inception.

    Also the Louisiana Purchase expanded the role of govt.

    So is Thomas Jefferson a socialist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    "Taxes should be proportioned to what may be annually spared by
    the individual." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1784.


    This is the basis of a progressive income tax. Usually referred to as the redistribution of wealth by conservatives. We have had a progressive income tax since its inception.

    Also the Louisiana Purchase expanded the role of govt.

    So is Thomas Jefferson a socialist?
    Jefferson favored an agrarian republic. He fought Hamilton on the idea of a Central Federal Bank. I think the key word in his quote was "spared". There is a difference between spared and automatically removed from one's paycheck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonafan View Post
    Jefferson favored an agrarian republic. He fought Hamilton on the idea of a Central Federal Bank. I think the key word in his quote was "spared". There is a difference between spared and automatically removed from one's paycheck.
    And those at the bottom are generally 'spared' from taxes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonafan View Post
    Jefferson favored an agrarian republic. He fought Hamilton on the idea of a Central Federal Bank. I think the key word in his quote was "spared". There is a difference between spared and automatically removed from one's paycheck.
    I realize that Jefferson fought for a small govt and favored an agrarian society. The fact remains that he made concessions to the Federalists who wanted to expand govt. Such as Hamilton, Washington, John and John Quincey Adams and Madison. And ultimately he did expand the federal govt. by his expaneded use of Article 1 Section 8 of the Constitution. He also believed in an evolving Constitution.

    He favored a progressive income tax clearly. "Spared" surely meant the ability to pay in the above quote.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daytonafan View Post
    Jefferson favored an agrarian republic. He fought Hamilton on the idea of a Central Federal Bank. I think the key word in his quote was "spared". There is a difference between spared and automatically removed from one's paycheck.
    Thaat must be why Hamilton is on a ten dollar bill and Jefferson is on a two dollar bill

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    Quote Originally Posted by printer2 View Post
    And those at the bottom are generally 'spared' from taxes.
    Nobody is spared from taxes unless you don't have a phone or a car that burns gas.

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    just saw this thread and the idea that QE2 is somehow a "raise". Having more cash that buys less goods is not a raise in my book.

    I think leaving the fed funds rate so low for so long has been a real problem and has yet to be addressed. I think the utube vid is a creative way to explain whats wrong with the financial/political mess we are working our way out of.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    The almost full employment was a result of the deficit spending.
    WW2 had nuthin to do with it??? pageyjim you keep diggin your hole deeper. you are replacing rational thought with dogma.
    "When the people find they can vote themselves money,that will herald the end of the republic" - Benjamin Franklin

    "Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force;like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action"- George Washington

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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    "Taxes should be proportioned to what may be annually spared by
    the individual." --Thomas Jefferson to James Madison, 1784.


    This is the basis of a progressive income tax. Usually referred to as the redistribution of wealth by conservatives. We have had a progressive income tax since its inception.

    Also the Louisiana Purchase expanded the role of govt.

    So is Thomas Jefferson a socialist?
    clearly,it is advice not to make tax levies un affordable. clear away the dogma, and you will be able to discern the truth. no income tax existed in that time, only what we now call excise taxes on certain products. most revenue was extracted from foreign businesses in the form of duties and tariffs. since Jefferson never once mentioned that he believed in the redistibution of anyones wealth,and believed in the smallest amount of government possible,and the maximum amount of freedom possible, then i would say he was a libertarian.
    "When the people find they can vote themselves money,that will herald the end of the republic" - Benjamin Franklin

    "Government is not reason, it is not eloquence, it is force;like fire, a troublesome servant and a fearful master. Never for a moment should it be left to irresponsible action"- George Washington

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