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Thread: For you liberals............
11-16-2010, 03:26 PM #27
11-16-2010, 04:35 PM #28
I do not think most living on the rest of society are willing and capable of doing full time work. I had to bring up those that would as our unemployed have increased in number in the last two years and most of those would work if they could.
Then you get the ones that have 'issues' that limit their employment opportunities. Being that I work in a depressed area where lot of these freeloaders live I get to see what these people are like. My much more liberal than I sister (she thinks I am fairly right wing) puts in time at a food bank and does outreach programs to help these people function in society. Many are just living one step away from disaster, what will happen when you throw them one step further down?
I know, more cops and jails as people in stressful situations tend to do stupid things. If you are luck they will just beat the kids but many will cause problems that spill over into our lives.
I am not saying that perfectly healthy people should be supported by us but if you are going to take away their means of surviving there better be an alternative that they can take even if not by their choice. If all of a sudden people do not have a way to pay their rent or feed themselves (and think of the poor landlords that now have a piece of real-estate that is not generating any income, store owners that are not selling any more groceries) you will see people look at those that have and justify a sin or two.
More than likely they would just riot as they are in Europe right now. Talk about fun times.
11-16-2010, 04:39 PM #29
11-16-2010, 04:47 PM #30
Obesity in the United States is a socioeconomic issue. It is related to limited social and economic resources and may be linked to disparities in access to healthy foods. Added sugars and added fats are far more affordable than are the recommended "healthful" diets based on lean meats, whole grains, and fresh vegetables and fruit. There is an inverse relationship between energy density of foods (kJ/g) and energy cost ($/MJ), such that energy-dense grains, fats, and sweets represent the lowest-cost dietary options to the consumer.
11-16-2010, 05:08 PM #31
So it is OK to take the hard earned dollars out of one person's pocket after working 40 hours a week and putting into another's (who also works 40 hrs a week, as long as they own a house).
That somehow does not sound right to me but then again here in Canada we can not deduct our mortgage payments from our taxes. The person that owns a house and has a mortgage and makes $40k a year pays the same amount of tax as a person that makes $40k a year and rents a place to live. Somehow it works for us without the government transferring the money from one pocket to another.
Of the 12.4 million households in Canada, more than 8.5 million, over two-thirds (68.4%) owned their home, the highest rate since 1971. At the same time, the proportion of Canadian households that rented their home slipped from 33.8% in 2001 to 31.2% in 2006. About 3.9 million households rented their home in 2006.
The homeownership rate in the United States in 2008 remained similar to that in other post-industrial nations with 67.8% of all occupied housing units being occupied by the unit's owner.
11-16-2010, 05:22 PM #32Professional Member
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I am happy at the end of a year if my ACTUAL tax rate is fifteen percent or less. The real numbers are all over the place, and I have to do a bunch of things to get to the fifteen. I have three mortgages, a business, expenses out the wazoo. I pay sales tax on a crapload of goods every year in both my business and my personal life. My total real estate tax bill is just under fourteen thousand a year. That is real estate taxes ONLY. In the city around here(philly) there is gross receipts tax, net profits tax, and sales tax. There is wage tax, there are rediculous parking fees( close to thrity per day for a service van), and so many more "taxes". Locally there is a wage tax, an "occupation" tax and additional sales taxes. Who the hell actually knows what the total is these days, but I can tell you its nuts.
If we had a flat rate tax system, say ten percent of EVERY personal wage, and say five percent of all business to business sales, I would bet we would have more damn money than we knew what to do with. It wouldnt be that hard to figure out the number right? Take all gross income nationwide, and figure out what rate we need to tax at to pay all of our bills. Problem is that too many uuber rich pay nothing at all, or minimal. Also, if there are people who are unemployed, thats fine, make them clean highways or sidewalks to get the check, sitting at home helps no one. Think how clean out cities would be if all unemloyed picked up a bag of trash per week!!! hell, they can even have the aluminum cans and earn extra cash scrapping them if they want.
11-16-2010, 05:32 PM #33
Income tax is not the only place the Government gets money. It's fairly easy to take the debt from the wars in Iran and Afghanistan and retire it with a fee on phones. It's just as easy to take the debt off the books and retire it with fee's from imports.
Medicare and Medicaid can be funded by hunting and fishing license fees.
Heck , I could go on and on. And if I can think of it , I'm sure others already have.
11-16-2010, 06:17 PM #34
However, I also believe that 90+% of all who we are helping ARE CAPABLE of doing something for them selves.
Once they do ALL THEY CAN FOR THEMSELVES, then they can come to me for any additional help.....
This is the way I teach my children &this is the way I believe.
NO ONE OWES YOU ANYTHING, but your parents....
RichardLets get H.I.G.H. http://www.theletsgethigh.com
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11-16-2010, 06:31 PM #35
Now why would you want to saddle a man and a woman with a lifetime of responsibility for a few minutes of pleasure?
11-16-2010, 07:23 PM #36"I could have ended the war in a month. I could have made North Vietnam look like a mud puddle."
"I have little interest in streamlining government or in making it more efficient, for I mean to reduce its size. I do not undertake to promote welfare, for I propose to extend freedom. My aim is not to pass laws, but to repeal them."
11-16-2010, 08:03 PM #37Printer, come on, quit being so liberal, now you want us to believe that you don't even know where your money goes, or how much you need to live on... & since you are the one making the money don't you think that YOU deserve a little EXTRA.
I need food, I go out and buy it. I wanted to buy a guitar, I shopped around and found one I like and got $100 off the list price. I do not squander my money but I do live a comfortable life. I take care where my money goes but I don't count it.
Mind you I meant the bs number would be me guessing on a tax number without knowing how much tax is taken from me now.
Then you are either lying or dumb or at least VERY NAIVE....as the VAST MAJORITY COULD work, that I have seen...
I do not think most living on the rest of society
and capable of doing full time work.
Are you sure about this????, of course it really doesn't matter as you WILL support them in either case.
I won't throw nobody anywhere. Their parents should be the ones to take care ofthem if they need to be taken care of....
I didn't ask them to be in this world...only their parents did....
Don't know what this means so I can't respond..
11-16-2010, 09:29 PM #38
Your view seems to be that if we are each given a bowl of soup my bowl and your bowl should be equal and the fact is that I worked my butt off and you sat on your lazy butt most of the time OR you just spent months on studying extra hours to learn a specialized system and I just floated along does not seem to apply to your point of view.
That point of veiw, where everything should be shared equally, kills individual motivation and individual responsibility not to mention individual ingenuity
All free nations are base in success on those qualities. All non free nations are based on the lack of those qualities.
And you continue to make connections that if one is doing well it's always at the expense of another.
But I have no way to get you to see that or begin to understand that side of life. So I'll just let it rest."The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers it can bribe the public with the public's own money.
- Alexis de Toqueville, 1835
11-17-2010, 12:43 PM #39
But you are the one that thinks that if we both have the same financial reward from our occupation that I am to give you some soup from my bowl because you want to own a house and I want to rent, all other things being equal. As I had shown this subsidy to you from me (If I lived in the US) via the government does not actually increase home ownership. Your mortgage subsidy system resulting in almost equal home ownership rates as in Canada, a difference of 1%. (And no picking my neighbor's pocket to pay off my house)
So yes I believe that we should be equal. If we make the same amount of dollars that we both should pay the same amount of tax.