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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    Your avatar was not taken in NYC. From the looks of their uniform it appears that she was somewhere in the South or West and therefore was most likely in the South probably protesting for some "civil rights" cause.

    All the radicals had to come down here to get arrested in a civil rights protest especially in the late 50's and the 60's and she sure fits the bill to a tee. Thank you, thank you very much.
    You are right in that she sure fits the bill to a tee as you say. I was guesstimating by estimating her age etc. But it turns out she was picketing with farm workers in California in 1973, undoubtedly with Cesar Chavez, another great person. I was lucky enough to meet him personally. I boycotted grapes for app 10 years in support of him and his cause until their demands were met. Good eye on your part though. You are union aren't you? You would have supported their cause somewhat, am I right?

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    Socialized health care is not about people, it is about insurance companies using the government to force everyone to have insurance so that insurance companies can grow even larger and more powerful then they already are;
    This is, essentially, the insurance company-approved argument for health care reform. They see it as forcing everyone to buy their coverage, making refusal to buy their insurance a crime, and offering no competition to their monopoly over it. I'm sure they don't want to see that anti-trust exemption of theirs lifted either, the one that has led to 94% of the individual insurance market becoming "highly concentrated" in the hands of one or two companies.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-..._b_276838.html

    Everything about the "changes" that Obama wants to implement is about Obama using taxpayer money to allow big business (GM for example), big insurance and labor unions to run the country under a Fascist regime led by himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pageyjim View Post
    You are right in that she sure fits the bill to a tee as you say. I was guesstimating by estimating her age etc. But it turns out she was picketing with farm workers in California in 1973, undoubtedly with Cesar Chavez, another great person. I was lucky enough to meet him personally. I boycotted grapes for app 10 years in support of him and his cause until their demands were met. Good eye on your part though. You are union aren't you? You would have supported their cause somewhat, am I right?
    Your way out there pagey. I guess you and Beaver are a toss up as to who is the most far left. I have an open mind on that but I believe that you have now pulled ahead and don't see how Beaver can top your last few posts. Thank you, thank you very much
    "I could have ended the war in a month. I could have made North Vietnam look like a mud puddle."
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    Quote Originally Posted by RoBoTeq View Post
    Socialized health care is not about people, it is about insurance companies using the government to force everyone to have insurance so that insurance companies can grow even larger and more powerful then they already are; http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-..._b_276838.html

    Everything about the "changes" that Obama wants to implement is about Obama using taxpayer money to allow big business (GM for example), big insurance and labor unions to run the country under a Fascist regime led by himself.
    1.......2.......3 tada glenn he is here to save the day

    Robo this thread has nothing to do with unions, what happened you get tired of calling everything socialist so now everything is facist.

    Insurance companies benefit in no way whatsoever with the new healthcare reform, because now they have to take on all the patients(that are still alive) that they dropped due to existing conditions and even new conditions. I suppose your one of them paranoid people that wander around town wearing alluminum foil on your head, STOP FEARING CHANGE IT IS INEVITABLE.

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    You are aware that insurance companies do not provide health care? Health care is provided by doctors, nurses, hospitals, clinics and the like. Why should insurance and health care be welded together?
    Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glennac View Post
    Your way out there pagey. I guess you and Beaver are a toss up as to who is the most far left. I have an open mind on that but I believe that you have now pulled ahead and don't see how Beaver can top your last few posts. Thank you, thank you very much
    Yeah glenn I would def say you are the poster child for openmindedness
    *you dont support freedom of religion
    *you dont support free choice
    *you bash gays
    *multiple times you spoke of how you wish things would go back to like the
    50's were showing a fear of change
    *If you disagree with something its socialist or communist
    I must say you have definately showed us your open minded attitude.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrs reb77 View Post
    You are aware that insurance companies do not provide health care? Health care is provided by doctors, nurses, hospitals, clinics and the like. Why should insurance and health care be welded together?
    health care is expensive, so you pay an insurance company and they build up money so you can afford healthcare when you need it.

    It is impossible for the 99% of the population that is not the elite rich to afford health care and survive, the alternative would be to reduce wages and costs of getting healthcare but that would be too socialist I suppose and it would be unfair to doctors, nurses, and so on to reduce the costs of the skills they spend years going to school for.

    By saying we dont need insurance companies anymore you are saying take away more jobs, take away lives of people who cannot afford health care, increase debt that society is in when they have to go to the hospital but cannot afford it.

    Health care reform is a prime example of a gov't looking out for its citizens, socialist or not its a good thing be happy your gov't looks out for you at all.

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    Maybe before bashing on Glenn you should re-read his post.

    He states that he is open minded on which of you is the farthest to the left.

    It was pretty easy to understand.
    Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beaver Bob View Post
    health care is expensive, so you pay an insurance company and they build up money so you can afford healthcare when you need it.

    It is impossible for the 99% of the population that is not the elite rich to afford health care and survive, the alternative would be to reduce wages and costs of getting healthcare but that would be too socialist I suppose and it would be unfair to doctors, nurses, and so on to reduce the costs of the skills they spend years going to school for.

    By saying we dont need insurance companies anymore you are saying take away more jobs, take away lives of people who cannot afford health care, increase debt that society is in when they have to go to the hospital but cannot afford it.

    Health care reform is a prime example of a gov't looking out for its citizens, socialist or not its a good thing be happy your gov't looks out for you at all.
    You are aware that insurance companies do not provide health care? Health care is provided by doctors, nurses, hospitals, clinics and the like. Why should insurance and health care be welded together? Why shouldn't the emphasis be on decreasing the costs of health care? Not creating even more of a gigantic cash hog in order to get simple care?

    I understand health care costs as they relate to me. I do not have insurance for everyday needs. I see the doctor when necessary. I pay for that. Under Obamacare I wouldn't be allowed to do that. That would be depriving me of something I have at present and making me pay an insurance company (more I might add than I do a doctor) so that I couldn't then afford to see a doctor because of co-pays and deductibles.
    Do not argue with an idiot. He will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beaver Bob View Post
    Yeah glenn I would def say you are the poster child for openmindedness
    *you dont support freedom of religion
    *you dont support free choice
    *you bash gays
    *multiple times you spoke of how you wish things would go back to like the
    50's were showing a fear of change
    *If you disagree with something its socialist or communist
    I must say you have definately showed us your open minded attitude.........
    Relax, Beav. Unless being politically left is offensive to you, he didn't insult you.

    Your post, OTOH, is a bit harsh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrs reb77 View Post
    You are aware that insurance companies do not provide health care? Health care is provided by doctors, nurses, hospitals, clinics and the like. Why should insurance and health care be welded together? Why shouldn't the emphasis be on decreasing the costs of health care? Not creating even more of a gigantic cash hog in order to get simple care?
    This bill does do some to address cost of care but I agree it could do more. We have examples all over the world that we ignore. A single payer system would address your concerns even more than the present bill.

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    Quote Originally Posted by k_fridge View Post
    Relax, Beav. Unless being politically left is offensive to you, he didn't insult you.

    Your post, OTOH, is a bit harsh.
    How would you react if you were grouped with me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by k_fridge View Post
    Relax, Beav. Unless being politically left is offensive to you, he didn't insult you.

    Your post, OTOH, is a bit harsh.
    Glenn knows I am just messing with him........right?
    No offense to be intended

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