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    Something to consider

    To call healthcare reform a socialist plot and fight so hard against it is an insult to americans who are dying or sick but would have never recieved a bit of consideration if it wasnt for the healthcare reform.

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    That isn't the kind of reform we need. There plan is a power grab, plain and simple. What we need is AFFORDABLE HEATH CARE, not govt run health care.

    What we need is less govt not more govt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Texas-Tech View Post
    That isn't the kind of reform we need. There plan is a power grab, plain and simple. What we need is AFFORDABLE HEATH CARE, not govt run health care.

    What we need is less govt not more govt.
    What do you mean by less government? Less quality services? Rather than have a medical doctor looking at you the insurance company has the option of sending you to the vet?

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    No, he means that we should have kept the gov't more out of health care in the past and maybe it would be affordable WITHOUT insurance now. You don't have insurance on your car for oil changed, new tires, break work or getting it washed and waxed. You shouldn't have to have INSURANCE to make sure your body is in tip top shape either. Health care would be much more affordable if insurance hadn't been allowed the stranglehold they currently enjoy over our system.
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    Here's the deal, it shouldn't be up to ANY insurance company to make sure a person is provided care. It should be up to the individual. And it should NOT take an insurance company to decide anyone's care options. It should be up to the individual. Insurance companies have gained WAY too much power and, under Obamacare they will totally take over.

    Insurance does not equal health care. Only doctors and healthcare professionals equal health care. We've totally lost sight of that fact by thinking everyone needs insurance. They don't. They all need healthcare! Insurance agents do not provide healthcare!! They provide insurance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrs reb77 View Post
    Health care would be much more affordable if insurance hadn't been allowed the stranglehold they currently enjoy over our system.

    Yeah, those pesky people with heart transplants and chemo treatments wouldn't have been allowed to inflate our cheap care...
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    Obviously I'm a little obtuse tonight. How does someone ELSE's medical care matter to what I should pay for MY care???? It should not. Unless of course you bring in insurance and pooling and the whole lot.
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    If you go to a restaurant do you expect to pay for the meal you order or an average of all the meals that have been ordered that week?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrs reb77 View Post
    No, he means that we should have kept the gov't more out of health care in the past and maybe it would be affordable WITHOUT insurance now. You don't have insurance on your car for oil changed, new tires, break work or getting it washed and waxed. You shouldn't have to have INSURANCE to make sure your body is in tip top shape either. Health care would be much more affordable if insurance hadn't been allowed the stranglehold they currently enjoy over our system.
    So it is actually insurance companies that have a stranglehold on health care. Well if you do not want a full service one stop health insurance plan what kinds of things would be included in a non-tire-to-tire health plan? big ticket things like heart attacks and not your yearly checkup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrs reb77 View Post
    Obviously I'm a little obtuse tonight. How does someone ELSE's medical care matter to what I should pay for MY care???? It should not. Unless of course you bring in insurance and pooling and the whole lot.
    So you two slipped in a few posts before I got mine in.

    So in other words you would see people pay for their own treatments?

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    Oh hell!! You mean people pay for what they get or what they are responsible for?? Heaven forbid!!!


    Uh, yeah! Or, put your money in a health savings account, make interest on it etc. The entire concept of our everyday health care needs being taken care of by insurance is the whole problem. Insurance should be a guarantee against large risk. So, have insurance against accidents or large expensive procedures. Like with a car. You do not insure for oil changes, tires, wiper blades, brakes, etc.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mrs reb77 View Post
    Here's the deal, it shouldn't be up to ANY insurance company to make sure a person is provided care. It should be up to the individual. And it should NOT take an insurance company to decide anyone's care options. It should be up to the individual. Insurance companies have gained WAY too much power and, under Obamacare they will totally take over.

    Insurance does not equal health care. Only doctors and healthcare professionals equal health care. We've totally lost sight of that fact by thinking everyone needs insurance. They don't. They all need healthcare! Insurance agents do not provide healthcare!! They provide insurance.
    Single payer govt. run healthcare would get rid of the insurance companies that you are worried about in the 2nd paragraph.

    How does the healthcare bill give more power to the insurance companies? The bill will limit administrative costs, stop them from dropping people because of pre existing conditions, health insurance exchanges will increase competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrs reb77 View Post
    Oh hell!! You mean people pay for what they get or what they are responsible for?? Heaven forbid!!!


    Uh, yeah! Or, put your money in a health savings account, make interest on it etc. The entire concept of our everyday health care needs being taken care of by insurance is the whole problem. Insurance should be a guarantee against large risk. So, have insurance against accidents or large expensive procedures. Like with a car. You do not insure for oil changes, tires, wiper blades, brakes, etc.
    Another quick question. I vaguely know about a health savings account. I am guessing that such an account is tax deductible. In gentler terms the people who have them are being subsidized by other taxpayers if there is a tax savings. Just sounds like added inefficiency to me. Also with more money available to draw from the patient the service provider will automatically charge more, being a capitalist system and they will charge what the market will pay.

    Not that I am an expert in the health care industry but I seem to recall the greatest percentage of the actual medical costs (not administrative costs) are for major procedures like heart attacks and cancer. Also a large amount of money goes to end of life care. All the other procedures that are not life threatening is really small change. It is the big ticket items that are driving the health care costs higher.

    Also our modern lifestyle is increasing the amount of people that need this type of care. It seems that if we actually went to the doctor regularly and they advised us on our lifestyle choices that we would have fewer major expensive procedures. Well at least that is how Cuba has managed to end up with the same life expectancy as the US.

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